[lit-ideas] Re: Is Hizbollah a Resistance Organization or not?
- From: "Stan Spiegel" <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 03:09:23 -0400
Beautifully said, Lawrence. I agree with everything you said, it was said with
such an appreciation for nuance and meaning.
Except for identifying Andreas with the Leftist / Islamist position. That's
ridiculous.
Your descriptions are meaningful and valuable; your evaluations using
terminology like "Leftist / Islamist position" are intrusive. They blur
meaning, alienate, and block meaningful discussion.
Stan Spiegel
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 1:38 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Is Hizbollah a Resistance Organization or not?
Since Mike asked, I take Andreas note below to be consistent with the
Leftist/Islamist position. Hizbollah attacked Israel but that doesn't matter.
Only the dead matter. If Israel defends itself it is being a warmonger state.
This leaves Hizbollah's tactics in tact. They shouldn't have to pay for their
adventure. This view would, if put into effect, prevent Israel from defending
itself. Israel is a warmongering state if it defends itself.
Note the neutral it is "horrible" that 12 people in "Israel died in rocket
attacks" but no blame is attached to Hizbollah. It might as well have been a
meteor that struck those 12 people. Islamist Mullahs who sided with America
after 9/11 thought it horrible that those people died in the Trade Center
attack, but they stopped well short of assigning blame for the deaths.
Andreas does do something you don't normally see in Leftist/Islamist
arguments. He says there are warmongers in control in Lebanon, Syria and Iran,
but he does it in such a way that there is moral equivalence between what the
Islamists do and what Syria, Iran and Lebanon (I assume he means Hizbollah)
does. There isn't enough here to see a developed political theory, but
anarchists blame states and not people for the evils of the world.
Lawrence
-----Original Message-----
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Andreas Ramos
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:23 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Is Hizbollah a Resistance Organization or not?
Lawrence wrote:
>The Lit-Ideas Leftists aren't as articulate but side with Omar, Syria and
Hizbollah. I
>haven't seen any of them siding with Israel.
Lawrence, do you mean whether we side with the Israeli people, or the
government of Israel?
Today, 12 people in Israel died in rocket attacks. That's horrible. I side
with the people
in both Israel and Lebanon and this ridiculous, meaningless war should stop
instantly.
I don't side with the warmongers in control of Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Iran,
and the White
House. They are idiots who only care about power and money. All the talk of
patriotism and
defense and peace is just crap that they use to make money and get others to
die.
I don't see you siding with the people of the world. You constantly take the
side of
warmongers. Where are you? Constructive peace or endless narcissistic war?
yrs,
andreas
www.andreas.com
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