[lit-ideas] Re: Fukuyama and Danto
- From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:56:57 -0800 (PST)
On a closer look, it seems that Lawrence is right.
(for a change) I had noticed this passage:
THE NOTION of the end of history is not an original
one. Its best known propagator was Karl Marx, who
believed that the direction of historical development
was a purposeful one determined by the interplay of
material forces, and would come to an end only with
the achievement of a communist utopia that would
finally resolve all prior contradictions. But the
concept of history as a dialectical process with a
beginning, a middle, and an end was borrowed by Marx
from his great German predecessor, Georg Wilhelm
Friedrich Hegel.
But in the later discussion Fukuyama indicates that he
(at the time) reads Hegel through Kojeve rather than
through Marx. Fukyama's 1989 article "The End of
History?" is availabe online, at:
http://www.wesjones.com/eoh.htm
O.K.
--- Simon Ward <sedward@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Oh no he didn't!
>
> Surely Hegel was concerned with the spiritual. Marx,
> however was the materialist.
>
> As for Kojeve:
>
> "Kojève follows Marx's 'inverted Hegelianism' by
> understanding the labour of historical development
> in broadly 'materialist' terms."
> http://www.iep.utm.edu/k/kojeve.htm#H3
>
> Kojeve was also influenced by Heidegger:
>
> "If Marx furnishes one central resource for Kojève's
> rereading of Hegel, Heidegger provides the other."
> http://www.iep.utm.edu/k/kojeve.htm#H4
>
> Just don't ask me to explain it.
>
> Simon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lawrence Helm
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:00 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Fukuyama and Danto
>
>
> No, no, no. Fukuyama got the concept from Kojeve
> (which he admits) who argued that Marx who turned
> Hegel upside down was wrong and Hegel, who argued
> that Capitalism would be the end of history was
> right after all.
>
>
>
> Lawrence
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Omar Kusturica
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:22 AM
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Fukuyama and Danto
>
>
>
>
>
> Fukuyama says he got it from Marx, who (he also
> notes)
>
> lifted it from Hegel. Danto was on his own
> admission
>
> also influenced by Hegel. Well, I guess Eric
> caught
>
> them now.
>
>
>
> O.K.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Eric <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>
> > _The End of History_
>
> >
>
> > Has anyone considered that Fukuyama was simply
>
> > piggybacking his title (if not his total
> concept)
>
> > from Arthur C. Danto's popular and hugely
>
> > influential essay, from the mid-80s, called THE
>
> > END OF ART?
>
> >
>
> > As Fukuyama does eight years later, Danto
> reprises
>
> > a Hegelian thesis. Danto means the "end of art"
> to
>
> > be the end of so-called "master narratives" in
> art
>
> >
>
> > As F says of history (ahem..8 years later) Danto
>
>
> > maintains that art will continue, but the
> defining
>
> > characteristics that allow art to extinguish
> their
>
> > competitors, and create stylistic "progress"
> have
>
> > disappeared from art, that art has no special
> way
>
> > to be received.
>
> >
>
> > For Danto, after linear progress in artistic
>
> > styles has been overthrown, anything goes and
>
> > pluralism reigns. Fukuyama (ahem...8 years
> later)
>
> > says that the dialectics that define
> civilizations
>
> > will disappear and capitalist pluralism will
> reign.
>
> >
>
> > So maybe Fukuyama was at a cocktail party
>
> > somewhere and overheard an aesthetics professor
> or
>
> > artist describing Danto's essay (and later,
> book)
>
> > and thought...."Hmmm, maybe I can make a name
> for
>
> > myself by applying this same schtick to
> history?"
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
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