[jhb] Re: CH Yoke Query
- From: "Fossil" <fossil@xxxxxxx>
- To: <jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 02:53:33 +0100
Control calibrations are a Windows process - they aren't specific to FS
alone. The normal route is via Control Panel, Game Controllers and this
should bring up the calibration diagram for your system. You may have just
one for both yoke and pedals or these might be separate calibrations (as it
is in my case).
The calibration process (and the presentation) may vary with each device.
When I first had my CH stick it always showed the default Windows
calibration diagram but a later software upgrade changed this to a more
complex display showing all 16 buttons.
I don't know if the FSX, Options Controls is a shortcut to the same
calibration routine or not. Regardless of this the Windows calibration is
always the first step to ensure control fidelity with any further tweaking
taking place within FS specifically for this program.
bones
bones@xxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Gerry Winskill
Sent: 19 July 2009 20:44
To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb] Re: CH Yoke Query
I seem to have solved the problem but, first, you say "the calibration
window in XP the green dot". Can this be done via Windows XP, rather
than FSX?
Back to the solution; totally not understood! Attempts at calibration,
via FSX Options Controls, failed to produce any improvement. Worse was
to come, I trie to calibrate the rudder pedals, which had developed a
bias to the right. Difficult, since the instructions are basically as
for the Yoke, where a button has to be pressed when rudders are centred
etc. Rudder pedals have no buttons, just the swivel and brake pedals,
the latter not being interpretted as a button by the process. The net
effect was that aircraft were unmanageable on the ground, turning only
hard right, in balletic circles.
Fortunately I remembered that I'd stored a copy of the Standard.xml
file, that resides in the Controls folder, on a separate drive, months
ago, in case of emergency. With this in use the tendency to bank right
was barely perceptible and rudder pedals behaved perfectly. However,
examining the file I can see no differences in the numeric values, so
haven't a clue why the problem is solved!
Gerry Winskill
Fossil wrote:
> If you go to the calibration window in XP the green dot should be bang in
> the centre. If the dot is offset to the right try recalibrating. I had a
> yoke that developed a "tick" to the right and this showed up in the
> calibration plot - the green dot would jump right slightly every second or
> two. I forget how I cured that one.
>
> bones
> bones@xxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Gerry Winskill
> Sent: 19 July 2009 08:07
> To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jhb] Re: CH Yoke Query
>
> I have a gauge that shows existing rudder trim, so I can return it to
> zero, after fiddling. I've just done the same with aileron trim but that
> seems to indicate that even 100%, in either direction, has absolutely no
> effect.
>
> Now I think I've definitely narrowed it down to the yoke itself. I've
> disabled the CH YOKE X Axis, via the Options, Settings, Controls menu,
> and assigned ailerons to the keyboard arrows. I can now get it to fly
> level but with no way of knowing aileron position to achieve this. So,
> I've set it up om a heading with autopilot, then disengaged HDG Hold. It
> flies level. If I do this with the Yoke enabled it would bank when HDG
> Hold is disengaged.
>
> Finally, I've shut down FSX, moved the yoke cable to a front of case
> connection, enabled its X axis and disabled the keyboard controls. Back
> to dodgy aileron control, so that seems to point to the unit, rather
> than Paul's logical alternative.
>
> Something I'd forgotten to mention is that, coincidentally, the pitch
> control seems a lot more sensitive, with all aircraft. Again it must be
> hardware related.
>
> Next shot is a blast with electrical cleaner.
>
> Thanks for the input folks, much appreciated.
>
> Gerry Winskill
>
> Fossil wrote:
>> Be careful using rudder trim because there are no keys to auto centre
once
>> applied - at least in FS9. Once you apply rudder trim it's a pain to get
> it
>> zeroed again.
>>
>> It does indeed look like a stick problem so the next thing to check is
> that
>> calibration hasn't wandered.
>>
>> bones
>> bones@xxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
>> Of Gerry Winskill
>> Sent: 18 July 2009 23:06
>> To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jhb] Re: CH Yoke Query
>>
>> It wants to roll to the right but can be held level by appication of a
>> small, and constant, amount of left aileron. On autopilot it holds a
>> steady heading, with the AI showing just a minute deviation to the
>> right. The stick can be waggled, slightly, without a significant change.
>> Initiated rolls are a bit quicker to the right than to the left.
>>
>> I checked fuel, because I've had similar effects, in the past, from
>> unbalanced fuel. This time it happens with full tanks. The TB21GT and
>> TB200GT both roll right despite just having a 170 lb (American?) pilot
>> and no passenger. So, any swing should really be to the right.
>>
>> It's also present, in exactly the same way, if I fly the PC12. So, it's
>> control, rather than aircraft, related?
>>
>> Although I can trim the wings level by applying left rudder trim, as
>> expected, it then makes a slow flat turn to the left.
>>
>> I must take a close look at aileron trim. Although I've allocated a
>> couple of keys to it they seem to be having no effect.
>>
>> Gerry Winskill
>>
>> Fossil wrote:
>>> OK. With 25% you shouldn't have the stick/yoke affecting roll rates at
>> all.
>>> If you feel the aircraft rolling does any touch on the yoke affect the
>> roll
>>> rate? If you can waggle the yoke slightly and see no change in aircraft
>>> behaviour then it would suggest to null zone is working for the yoke. If
>> so
>>> look at other input devices like the mouse or touchpad which can also
>> affect
>>> handling.
>>>
>>> Also check for other obvious effects like a fuel misbalance. Running
> tanks
>>> down on one side can have a big effect on roll rates.
>>>
>>> bones
>>> bones@xxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
>>> Of Gerry Winskill
>>> Sent: 18 July 2009 17:03
>>> To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jhb] Re: CH Yoke Query
>>>
>>> Not that. It was set at about 25%. I increased to 50% and that slowed
>>> the start of the unwanted bank but didn't remove it.
>>>
>>> Gerry Winskill
>>>
>>> Fossil wrote:
>>>> Have you set your null zone too tight?
>>>>
>>>> bones
>>>> bones@xxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Gerry Winskill
>>>> Sent: 18 July 2009 08:58
>>>> To: JHB Restricted
>>>> Subject: [jhb] CH Yoke Query
>>>>
>>>> Another day and another problem! This time it's my CH USB Yoke.
>>>>
>>>> For about a week now I've found that leaving the yoke hands free
results
>
>>>> in the aircraft slowly banking and turning to the right. It happens
with
>
>>>> a variety of aircraft, so it's not aircraft.cfg induced.
>>>>
>>>> I've allocated a couple of keys to aileron trim but they have no
effect.
>>>>
>>>> I've recalibrated several times. No effect.
>>>>
>>>> I've recalibrated, pressing a button to indicate the yoke is centred,
>>>> whilst actually holding it in the approx position needed for level
>>>> flight, in the current situation.
>>>>
>>>> I'm beginning to suspect the inabillity to trim, or calibrate, out
>>>> points to the Yoke internals as the culprit.
>>>>
>>>> I seem to recall someone on the list trying to open up the yoke, with
>>>> explosive results! So, the only idea I have is to try squirting
>>>> electrical cleaner into it.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone any ideas please? I've had the yoke since the USB Yoke first
came
>
>>>> out, so perhaps it's just knackered!
>>>>
>>>> Gerry Winskill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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