IT WORKS IN 10, OKAY? FOR PETE'S SAKE, IT WORKS IN TEN. YOU HAPPY? Bruce On Sat, 18 Apr 2009, Yardbird wrote:
George, I know that pane. I have just been there. I'm not interested in what's new in jaws 9, which I used before upgrading to Jaws 10. It's very possible, as with some other Jaws features, that this is no longer current in jaws even though it's obviously something useful. For instance, the Reply Directly to Sender (please do not confuse this with a simple reply as in outlook Express; people keep doing that when this feature is discussed here) was introduced in, let's see, I think it was jaws version 8, but although everyone on this list couldn't seem to agree that this was so, the truth is that this helpful feature really stopped working in Jaws 9, and FS fixed it in Jaws 10 and announced the bug fix in such a way as to pretend that nothing had actually been the matter. Very spooky public relations wording. But the important thing is that the feature works again. Anyway, as I say, I want to hear from someone who knows about this in Jaws 10, please. Or not, if no one knows. Again, thanks for your input. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: RE: information bubbles and jaws? Yes it is if you go to jaws 10 help, whats new, and what's new is in focous and hit enter, then f6 and then it focous goes to the right pain and arrow down and you hear whats new in link what's new jaws ten, and then arrow down and you hear changes made to earlier versions of jaws and arrow down and you hear link what's new in jaws 9. Hit enter on that and you will find it there. You know I am trying to help but if you have to criticize then you should try reading fearther down the help menu for the what's new and you will see it is in the jaws 10 what's new help. As a matter of fact every jaws what's new since I thing jaws 4 is a link on the help screen. Bon't hold it to me for god sakes I might of made a little mistake along the way. we know you do not do that now don't we. "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things that I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 20:24 To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: information bubbles and jaws? George B., I understand what this says. But this text isn't where you describe it in the Jaws 10 help menu under what's new in jaws 10. thanks very much for your generous assistance. But if someone who is running jaws 10 and is familiar with where this topic is shown in the Jaws 10 help will tell me where to look, I'll appreciate that very much. Even though I appreciate your copying the below information from somewhere, this doesn't come from the help menus and topics in my version of jaws, and it's important to me to know how to find something like this. Thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: RE: information bubbles and jaws? I am sorry it is in whats new in jaws 9 which also works in jaws 10. Below is the text from the help whats new jaws 9 Performing an Action Stated in a Balloon ToolTip A system tray balloon ToolTip is a way for applications to inform you that an event has occurred or an action is required. Often these ToolTips state that you need to "click here" to perform a certain task, such as downloading updates for Windows. With JAWS 9.0, when such a message appears, you can now press the JAWS left mouse button (NUM PAD SLASH) to immediately act on the message before the ToolTip closes. In JAWS 8.0 and earlier, to select a balloon ToolTip, you had to enable the JAWS cursor and navigate to the ToolTip. Often the message would close before you could find it. As you can see, it is much more efficient to use the JAWS left mouse button. Note: The INSERT+TAB keystroke speaks the current control, its ToolTip, and tutor message. If you wait to act on a balloon ToolTip message, you can press INSERT+TAB to hear if it is still open and available. If it is, press NUM PAD SLASH to select the ToolTip. If you do not hear the ToolTip, then the message has closed. At this point, you can press INSERT+F11 to see if the application that caused the balloon ToolTip to appear is available in the system tray. "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things that I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 19:47 To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: information bubbles and jaws? George, I looked in the help menu under what's new in Jaws in my Jaws 10, andIdon't see any topic that is about information bubbles. Could youpleaseexplain more specifically where you find those instructions? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: RE: information bubbles and jaws? Yes it is still in jaws 10, the insert tab to repeat the bubble.go to jaws help menu and whats new in jaws and you will see it in there. "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things that I can, and the wisdom to know thedifference.-----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of CrisMunoz54 Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 19:23 To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: information bubbles and jaws? Yes thank you. I do recall something to that affect with a prior version of Jaws. I tried the insert tab suggestion also offered up by apreviousposter, but it doesn't seem as though it worked. Oh well... Thanks anyway... -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of James Homuth Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 7:16 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: information bubbles and jaws? At some point during the lifecycle of I believe JAWS 8 or 9, youwereable to have the message repeated to you by using the insert+tab or jawskeyplus tab combination after it popped up. The problem is, it doesn't stayupfor long, so JAWS doesn't have time to read it a second time. That's a minor flaw with Windows itself, and not something FS can correct in afutureupdate of JAWS. James, List Admin -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of CrisMunoz54 Sent: April 18, 2009 1:32 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: information bubbles and jaws? I'm aware of the left click ability. It is useful, but I forexample,wouldn't wat to just left click on something if I didn't hear whatitwas exactly that Jaws said to begin with. That's more my inquiry than anything else. The bility to have Jaws repeat the message if I for whatever reason didn't hear it the first time. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:11 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: information bubbles and jaws? But within how many seconds do you have to left click? And do youmeanthat you definitely can't hit Enter because that will only activatewhatevercontrol Jaws says is the focus at that moment in a dialogue, andyouwon't be in what jaws perceived as a dialogue? What if you didn't hear or understand everything the bubble said? Is it still no worry to just click on it and have faith? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:12 AM Subject: Re: information bubbles and jaws? Simple. JAWS left click anywhere and the bubble will be clicked. -- Chris Hallsworth e-mail: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Join deaf blind support by sending a blank message to deaf-blind-support+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy" <tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: information bubbles and jaws?I have the same trouble when JAWS reads prompts for updates orothertypesof information. My problem is also that even if I understood the information, I often can't find the place to click. For example,ifaprompt comes up while I'm reading my eamail that says there is anupdateavail for my antivirus program. I can't then find where to clicktotell itto update. I'm running JAWS 9. tracyduffy@xxxxxxxxx (also messenger contact) Skype: 1tracetypegirl Courage is not the absence of fear, it's the mastery of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CrisMunoz54" <crismunoz54@xxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:33 AM Subject: information bubbles and jaws?Hello list, Is there a jaws command to repeat the information bubbles thatwindowsfrom time to time announces? I ask because, sometimes, jaws willrandomlyspeak these bubbles and either the message gets cut off by a keystrokeorjawsbeginning to read some other information. I looked in the jawshelpfilesand really didn't come across anything. I know you can disablethesebubbles, but I'd prefer not to. I just want to be able to havejawsrepeat them should I have the need to hear them again. 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