Hi, gene think your miss understanding the instructions on jfw lite. or maybe i am. i do not think they make a windows boot disk using the m s operating=20 system, no they install windows using a vbatch operation using a dos floppy. No they use a floppy with the xp boot disk with the batch install script.=20 at least that was my impression. or they use a program like nero to create a windows boot disk. This can also be done. I have herd on this list in the past where people have done this with jfw and it worked fine. Also people have used usb hard drives to do the same thing.=20 I my self have never had the need to do this but I understand it can be done.=20 the ability to install windows using a batch operation has been around a long time but suspect its more complicated than say using a backup program=20 in dos. Nope it is quite easy. I do it here all the time. =20 its also some what complicated to make a boot disk using burning packages. especially if you need to add the driver to the cd rom for your sound card. Why I just read the directions it looks fairly easy.=20 by default xp only supports i think the 5.1creative labs drivers. if they where serious about blind access they would include drivers for all=20 the creative cards. Now here again you miss understand. Creative is the one who has not provided the drivers to ms. Not the other way around. =20 Many other sound cards are also supported. =20 when you realize how old the creative labs 5.1 sound card is its pretty=20 amazing that audagy 1 and 2 drivers are not also included. There again they have not provided these drivers to ms for inclution. Ms can not include drivers unless they are provided with out violating lissons agreements. =20 Now we can make an argument for open source here and the gpl but ms and windows bassed programs are not open source or free. =20 still this brings one to a interesting point, narrator is a good edition. in the past m s could have argued that creating a software speech=20 solutionin safe mode was to complicated, making sure that it would work with numerous screen readers to big a task. with narrator now present though m s could at least design the o s so that=20 narrator worked in safe mode so we could use system restore to roll back . also the ability to use narrator for common trouble shooting task only=20 performed in safe mode. so m s would have total control over all the parts of the operation. then jfw and other screen readers could do their own thing to make them=20 work in safe mode as well. if the screen reader failled to do so at least one could have some access=20 using narrator. The hole point of safe mode is that it is safe. Just enough if loaded to allow the system to boot. All your other drivers witch might be causing the problem do not load. That is the hole point. The more drivers you load in safe mode the more chances you have of it not working. It is not really a good idea even though it would give us access to have all these drivers loading. =20 If these issues bother you as much as they seem to I think you might want to take a look at linux. It does not have these problems at all and is a better operating system. Gui access how ever is not where it is in windows yet. But command line access is much better even then it was in dos. =20 -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx