gene think your miss understanding the instructions on jfw lite. or maybe i am. i do not think they make a windows boot disk using the m s operating system, no they install windows using a vbatch operation using a dos floppy. at least that was my impression. or they use a program like nero to create a windows boot disk. the ability to install windows using a batch operation has been around a long time but suspect its more complicated than say using a backup program in dos. like ghost. its also some what complicated to make a boot disk using burning packages. especially if you need to add the driver to the cd rom for your sound card. by default xp only supports i think the 5.1creative labs drivers. if they where serious about blind access they would include drivers for all the creative cards. and maybe the ones for a few other popular ones. so the extra steps required for adding drivers would not be required. when you realize how old the creative labs 5.1 sound card is its pretty amazing that audagy 1 and 2 drivers are not also included. still this brings one to a interesting point, narrator is a good edition. in the past m s could have argued that creating a software speech solutionin safe mode was to complicated, making sure that it would work with numerous screen readers to big a task. with narrator now present though m s could at least design the o s so that narrator worked in safe mode so we could use system restore to roll back . also the ability to use narrator for common trouble shooting task only performed in safe mode. so m s would have total control over all the parts of the operation. then jfw and other screen readers could do their own thing to make them work in safe mode as well. if the screen reader failled to do so at least one could have some access using narrator. bill -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx