RE: Jaws and Microsoft Word.

  • From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:35:29 -0400

Yes, I agree, it's not the expected behavior for the escape key (or the
alt-f4 key either).
 
 




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Chip Orange
Database Administrator
Florida Public Service Commission

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        From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Dave 'SqueezeBox' Carlson
        Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:46 PM
        To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: Re: Jaws and Microsoft Word.
        
        
        The Escape key as a means to keep changes is a bizarre abuse of
the Escape key. After all, escape should mean "never mind, I'm bailing
out".
         
        The Enter key is more appropriate. 
         
        Dave
         

                ----- Original Message ----- 
                From: Ryan MacIsaac <mailto:jrmacisaac@xxxxxxxxxxx>  
                To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:15 PM
                Subject: RE: Jaws and Microsoft Word.


                Escape will only close the Jaws verbosity tree view
window. Any changes you have made have already taken effect. As soon as
you press the space bar, the change to that option takes effect. 

                 

                Ryan

                 

                 

                 

                -----Original Message-----
                From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roy Nickelson
                Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:53 PM
                To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                Subject: Re: Jaws and Microsoft Word.

                 

                esc should not be saveing the change,  can you give an
example where this is occurring I haven't seen it.

                roy

                 

                        ----- Original Message ----- 

                        From: Roger Levine
<mailto:rlstation@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  

                        To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

                        Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:34 PM

                        Subject: Re: Jaws and Microsoft Word.

                         

                        Hi, 

                        I think that these new verbosity options in
version 9 are some of the most powerful Jaws features we now have. I am
a bit puzzled that hitting ESCAPE saves the changes.  This action
doesn't follow standard Windows convention. 

                        Roger    

                                ----- Original Message ----- 

                                From: Ryan MacIsaac
<mailto:jrmacisaac@xxxxxxxxxxx>  

                                To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

                                Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:09 AM

                                Subject: RE: Jaws and Microsoft Word.

                                 

                                This problem is easily corrected. With
Jaws 9, when you copy something from the web, the default is that all
formatting from the original web page is retained. Depending on what you
paste the selected text into, this may cause a problem. To change this,
you need to open the Jaws verbosity options tree view while in your web
browser and change the select and copy option. To accomplish this, do
the following:

                                 

                                1. Open your web browser.

                                 

                                2. Press the Jaws key plus V to open the
new tree view for Jaws options.

                                 

                                3. Press the down arrow key to find the
option for select and copy. This is found under the virtual cursor
options. You should have to press the down arrow key three or four times
to find this option.

                                 

                                4. When you find the select and copy
option, you can press the tab key to move to the help window. Use the
say all command to read the help information for the select and copy
option.

                                 

                                 

                                5. Use the shift tab key to move back to
the tree view. Press the space bar to change the options for the select
and copy option. To make the option work the way it did in earlier
versions of Jaws, select the "from virtual cursor" option.

                                 

                                6. Close the Jaws verbosity options
window.

                                 

                                This change is permanent and remains in
effect even if you shutdown Jaws or your computer.

                                 

                                 

                                The full content option is the default
in Jaws 9 - this is what retains all formatting when copying text from a
web page.

                                 

                                Ryan

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Alexander
                                Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:12 PM
                                To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                Subject: Re: Jaws and Microsoft Word.

                                 

                                I'm using the latest version of JAWS 9.
When I used to use JAWS 8 and early 9 I would just do a copy & paste
from either an e.mail or web page and then paste it into a word document
and be able to format the copy in the word document, now with the latest
version of JAWS 9 when I copy/cut text from some e.mails and all web
pages then paste it into a word document I cannot reformat the text that
I copied, the pasted text appears to have cells and sometimes only word
on a line and it cannot be changed or formatted. Many times I want to
cut/copy a financial newsletter from a website and transfer it to a word
document and strip out useless content and cannot modify the document.
Someone said a HTML document cannot be edited inside a word document and
any help from FS has been useless since I get the following from them:

                                1.  Activate the verbosity dialog "JAWS
key+v"

                                2.  Press the letter s until you get to:

                                Select and copy from

                                3.  Press the spacebar until this says
virtual cursor and hit enter

                                 

                                Now, see if you can copy as you desire
to. 

                                 

                                #2: There is no off/on option for that
setting, it is switch to a different setting and the virtual cursor
option is the option that was used in previous versions.  

                                 

                                  

                                   

                                Of course I tried it with no luck,
possibly doing something wrong but their instructions to use the space
key does nothing. Frustrated to say the least

                                ----- Original Message ----- 

                                From: Ryan MacIsaac
<mailto:jrmacisaac@xxxxxxxxxxx>  

                                To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

                                Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:56 AM

                                Subject: RE: Jaws and Microsoft Word.

                                 

                                What version of Jaws are you using and
exactly what is the problem you are having?

                                 

                                Ryan

                                 

                                 

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Alexander
                                Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:55 PM
                                To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                                Subject: Re: Jaws and Microsoft Word.

                                 

                                I too having been pissed off that I
cannot copy & paste a web page or e.mail into a word document and edit
it as I used to be able to do. Apparently, FS doesn't want to listen
since I've sent them several e.mails and to no avail since they think we
all should do as they want us to do. So far any assistance I've received
from them does not solve the problem, why don't they just work with
users? This program is an expensive plus they suck us in for a $120- S/M
fee each year, what do we get from that?

                                 

                                I'm about to bite the bullet and can
JAWS and purchase EYEs and see if that works any better.

                                 

                                If you find out how we can copy & paste
e.mails or web pages into a Word document with the cells and links and
edit it, let me know, otherwise I'm done with donating to FS each year
for their S/M !

                                ----- Original Message ----- 

                                From: Thomas E. Williamson
<mailto:twilliamson2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>  

                                To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

                                Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 9:11 PM

                                Subject: Re: Jaws and Microsoft Word.

                                 

                                First, I use ctrl, plus shift, and end
to select the text that I want.

                                Then, I use ctrl plus c to copy to the
cliff board.

                                Then, I use ctrl plus v to paste in to
microsoft Word.

                                However, when I try to read the text,
Jaws reads it as a table with some sort of uni-code.

                                I just was not sure if there is
something in the setting of Word that I might need to change.  (That is,
the menus).

                                The purpose of prayer is not to get what
we want, 
                                but to become what God wants.
                                Regards, Thomas.
                                twilliamson2007@xxxxxxxxxxx

                                 

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                                ----- Original Message ----- 

                                From: Judith Bron
<mailto:jbron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  

                                To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

                                Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:04 PM

                                Subject: Re: Jaws and Microsoft Word.

                                 

                                How are you copying the text?  Are you
copying it by the page, by the line or a few words at a time?

                                ----- Original Message ----- 

                                From: Thomas E. Williamson
<mailto:twilliamson2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>  

                                To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

                                Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:26 PM

                                Subject: Jaws and Microsoft Word.

                                 

                                Hello,

                                When I copy text from the internet and
try to paste it in to Word, the text comes up in a table, how can I fix
that?

                                The purpose of prayer is not to get what
we want, 
                                but to become what God wants.
                                Regards, Thomas.
                                twilliamson2007@xxxxxxxxxxx

                                 

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