Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode

But Peter,

I'm not sure from what perspective you're saying this about page design. 
When a Web page loads for a sighted user not using a screen reader, there is 
not a focus issue or the page capturing the mouse pointer or a cursor of 
some sort and jumping anywhere. The page simply loads, the person sees all 
of it, glances to where they want to look, and reads. Or, if they want to 
use an edit field, they see it and then put the mouse pointer on it. They 
aren't captured the way our Jaws focus is hijacked when a page loads and 
takes us straight to an edit field.

So do you mean that Web page designers have deliberately coded something 
into edit fields in many cases that they know will attract the Jaws focus? 
Or is this rather something that FS designs into the way Jaws sees the page 
as it loads? Or some combination of these two things? See what I mean?
designes JasewJaww
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


Yes you can design the web page so that it jumps the user straight to a
field, and yes it will be because of that design as to why it happens with
some sites and not with others.

I think that JAWS should initially treat the edit field it first jumps to as
the page loads, in the same way as it treats form fields when you use the
quick navigation keys.

Peter

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From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:20 PM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode

> Hi Peter and all,
>
> It occurs to me that the reason this inconvenient forms mode thing is
> happening when some Web pages load is that for reasons I'm not
> sophisticated
> enough to understand, the Jaws focus is sometimes drawn to the first edit
> field it sees as the page loads. As everyone knows, this doesn't happen
> with
> every page, not even a lot of pages that have search functions not far
> from
> the top of the page. The New York Times, for instance. When one of the
> article pages load, Jaws leaves me at the top of the page where I can hear
> the headline of the article and the name of the paper. If I actually wish
> to
> use the global search function to look for something I don't know where to
> find in that day's edition, I hit E or arrow down or whatever until I get
> to
> the search form.
>
> But on other Web pages, Jaws jumps to a search edit field immediately,
> bypassing text and other page elements that precede it if I arrow back
> upward to see what's there. So it's something about this which, if it
> didn't
> happen that way, wouldn't trigger the auto forms mode thing that's got
> everyone annoyed. Or almost everyone, anyway.
>
> If anyone knows more about page design and the coding of Jaws to confirm
> or
> preferably add to that admitted speculation, I'd be really interested to
> hear something more about this. It's the technology that interests me at
> this point, as I am not playing with the Beta and I don't feel like
> getting
> involved in complaining about Freedom Scientific's corporate style or
> defending them, either.
>
> Thanks very much.
> From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:27 AM
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>
>
> Yeh you do it out of habit, and then because it's already in forms mode it
> causes you to  press submit or something instead.
>
> As I say, I like it though, just don't want it to turn on automatically.
>
> Peter
>
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> From: "dave-d0619" <dave-d0619@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:01 AM
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>
>> I like that improvement, especially for sites such as Google, where you
>> land
>> on the search edit field after the site has loaded.
>>
>> Personally, I am so used to pressing ENTER to turn on Forms Mode, I would
>> probably continue to do it out of habit and, as we all know, some habits
>> are
>> so hard to break or change.
>>
>> Sincerely:
>>
>> Dave Durber
>>
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