> and Jewel, which seems to be AEWM > rewritten in Obj-C, Jewel was forked from aewm++ which is my C++ version of aewm with a few more features. For those that don't know aewm is a C window manager that is very light and has few features. An ObjC window manager sounds good but I don't know alot about ObjC. I'm preferring C to C++ these days and I'm working on another window manager written from scratch. As far as tabbed window grouping goes I belive its a must have. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com