[jawsscripts] Re: Urgent! Accessibility For Sibelius Sound Set Editor?
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:14:37 +1000
Ah. So annabelle, are you concerned then that this release may still not
address your access issues with Sibelius? Or is this only something you've
found out since Dave's posting on the matter. I'd certainly been unaware of
accessibility developments around Sibelius, and didn't know about the
parallel Free scripts of Sibelius Access before Dave kindly posted about it.
I did know about jSonar though.
BTW also got your answers to other questions. Thanks. I was only asking in
reference to seeking to get an idea of where you might've been up to re
general jaws accessibility awareness of all this stuff, in case you felt I
was being invasive for no reason.
anywayz, sounds like you've got a pathway ahead your awaiting re Dan's work
on this anywayz. All the best.
G.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:03 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Urgent! Accessibility For Sibelius Sound Set
Editor?
> Dan Rugman is soon to be releasing Sibelius Access for Sibelius 6.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie McBride
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:54 PM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Urgent! Accessibility For Sibelius Sound Set
> Editor?
>
> He was referring to me, Annabelle. My understanding is that the last
> version for accessing Sibelius was v. 5.
>
> Perhaps subscribing to the Midi Mag list at:
> midimag-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxx
> would be of use. Once you're subscribed up, u could post your queries
> there. This list is actually more designed for discussion of
> problems/tips/techniques/educational materials for scripting Jaws
> applications than it is for finding scripts per se, though we do try
> to help w/that when we can.
>
> But u would likely be helped more on a music-related list, since
> you're more apt to find users of the particular application(s) about
> which you're inquiring.
>
> Good luck.
>
> On 4/10/12, Geoff Chapman <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Fair enough Annabell.
>> Sound set edotir, not sound skulpting editor tool per Se. Ok I got that.
>>
>> So do you have any further comments re the rest of my response?
>>
>> Thanks much.
>> G.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:59 PM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Urgent! Accessibility For Sibelius Sound Set
>> Editor?
>>
>>
>>> HI Annabelle.
>>>
>>> Since as you've no doubt observed, noone has as yet responded to your
>>> queeries for assistance/information re your sibelius sound editor
>>> accessibility issues,
>>> Although i have no personal knowledge at all of the particular
>>> software/sound editor component in question, I did used to mess with
>>> music
>>> editing Software myself, and can only tell you that you may be up for a
>>> potentially disappointing time, re your understandable desire for
> complete
>>> blind-friendly access to this type of software.
>>>
>>> May I ask you first, how Long you've been working with Jaws/music
> creation
>>> software yourself? And what education level student are you at present?
>>> Also, Are you yourself blind/vision impaired?
>>>
>>> Firstly I'll warn up front, that the below may not at all be something
>>> you'll be ready/wanting to hear. and I am sorry about this, and wish to
>>> prepare you before I convey.
>>>
>>> but, As you may know, Many appplications these days, are simply not
>>> developed with the blind/screen-reader access user in mind at all. And
>>> hense utilization of standard keyboard accessible/opperable controls,
>>> as
>>> you list below, is commonly not taken into consideration during
>>> development
>>> of many applications, most particularly in this kind of sound-editing
>>> environment..
>>> Would that be a fair call to say You think Jackie?
>>>
>>> I well remember when I was really into this kind of thing myself, how
>>> really
>>> emotionally irritating, and difficult, this was to hear.
>>>
>>> I felt blocked off from being able to fully express my stuff with what I
>>> wanted to do with music software, and many of us have felt this pain
>>> too.
>>> Not that this makes it any easier for you I know.
>>> Particularly If this is the first time you've struck these types of
>>> accessibility barriers .
>>>
>>> To make a non-standardized application,fully keyboard navigable, and
>>> editable, is thus notin any way, a simple process, even if it be a
> dooable
>>> one at all! And even this is not certain. a Great deal depends on
>>> simply
>>> a
>>> verritable host of factors, particularly related to
>>> how the developer has implemented/utilized her/his development
>>> environment,
>>> and the subsequent user-interface, (UI,) control of the application.
>>>
>>> I.e. much of it can often be very graphical/object oriented in nature,
>>> designed to be operated/nomipulated with the mouse only.
>>>
>>> This is not to say necessarily exclusively, but very often primarily.
>>>
>>> Have you been in touch with the Sibelius developers at all?
>>> There was a company called Dancing Dots, who used to produce JAWS
>>> scripts
>>> for sibelius access, but I've no idea whether they're still involved in
>>> doing that now, or what version jaws support has kept pace with.
>>>
>>> But, they're probably your best bet to be contacting first, regarding
> your
>>> issues, and to what level of developer contact they either have or
>>> may've
>>> had, to begin working on just how far you might expect to be able to go
>>> with
>>> this.
>>>
>>> their website HOmepage Address is:
>>> http://www.dancingdots.com
>>>
>>> And the part which I've just discovered talks about discontinuation of
>>> sibelius support, is:
>>> http://www.dancingdots.com/prodesc/SibSpeaking.htm
>>>
>>> They do talk about another product line though on that site which you
>>> may
>>> wish to check out.
>>>
>>> David Pinto who used to be the mainstream developer of that product, is
>>> a
>>> member of this list though, and perhaps he could tell you a little more
>>> about why that product needed to be discontinued, and/or what direction
>>> the
>>> app might've taken since then?
>>>
>>> I hope this helps a little annabell.
>>>
>>> Geoff c.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 3:30 PM
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Urgent! Accessibility For Sibelius Sound Set
>>> Editor?
>>>
>>>
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>>>> charset="us-ascii"
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>>>> Hi, it's Annabelle.
>>>> I use JAWS 10.0 with a bunch of applications, and I have run into a
>>>> serious
>>>> situation. I am having a lot of trouble accessing the Sibelius Sound
>>>> Set
>>>> Editor with Adobe Air. Is there a way to make the Sound Set Editor
>>>> accessible to blind customers like me? In other words, make it
> accessible
>>>> with a menu bar, text-based buttons and controls, and
>>>> screenreader-friendly
>>>> options? Here is a list of controls that I've heard are recognized by
>>>> JAWS.
>>>> Note that these controls have to have text-based icons that go with
> them,
>>>> since JAWS does not read and recognize icons with bitmap images.
>>>> 1. 3-State Button
>>>> 2. Button
>>>> 3. Button Menu
>>>> 4. Checkbox
>>>> 5. Combo Box
>>>> 6. Dialogue
>>>> 7. Edit
>>>> 8. Edit Combo
>>>> 9. Extended Select List Box
>>>> 10. Graphic
>>>> 11. Group Box
>>>> 12. Header Bar
>>>> 13. Hot Key
>>>> 14. Left-Right Slider
>>>> 15. List Box
>>>> 16. List View
>>>> 17. MS Active Accessibility
>>>> 18. Multiline Edit
>>>> 19. Multi Select List Box
>>>> 20. Password Edit
>>>> 21. Radio Button
>>>> 22. Read Only Edit
>>>> 23. SpinBox
>>>> 24. Static
>>>> 25. Status Bar
>>>> 26. Tab Control
>>>> 27. Toolbar
>>>> 28. Tool Tip
>>>> 29. Tree View
>>>> 30. Up-Down Slider
>>>> If any of you fellow JAWS scripting members have any further
> information,
>>>> questions, or suggestions for me, please feel free to Email me at any
>>>> time,
>>>> as I check my Emails several times each day.
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>> Annabelle
>>>> foristnights@xxxxxxxxxxx
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