[jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
- From: Brett Scarr <brett06@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 13:47:39 +1000
Hi,
I can confirm this guys issue. I use a drum program which requires extensive
use of the jaws cursor. Since updating to the latest jaws 14 I can no longer
see anything in this program with the jaws cursor.
I have removed jaws and shared components and user settings. Rebooted and
deleted all jaws folders and files, including the dcm files. I then Rebooted
and reinstalled jaws 13, but still have no jaws cursor action. If anyone finds
a solution, I too would love to know.
Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
On 07/05/2013, at 1:13 PM, "Andrew Hart" <ahart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Hey, did you get him to try running JAWS with the /default switch to
> eliminate any user settings that could possibly be gumming up the works?
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew.
>
> On 6/05/2013 9:56 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
>> That's right, guys. I know how to use those functions. I'm just trying to
>> figure why his system broke. He wasn't running any custom scripts at all.
>> After he removed jaws 13 and 14, including the shared components, he
>> installed jaws 11, which should now be the definitive last word on shared
>> components. And,it no longer worked with that application. He says he
>> removed shared components but, Of course, I wasn't there and can't verify
>> that. I know he believes that. <grin>
>> But, he probably left user-specific settings. No matter, he wasn't running
>> those versions any more. He was running jaws 11, which used to work.
>> Shared components are the only link between jaws versions that I know of.
>>
>> Can I learn anything from the file version of jawsVid.dll?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 7:21 PM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
>>
>>
>> Yeah. Like John, it seemed to me also,
>> that at least initially, Jim seemed more to be querying what could possibly
>> be different about his system compared to his Client's, as regards MSA
>> object tracking behaviour anomalies.
>>
>> there are just sooo many caveats to tracking down all this stuff eh.
>>
>> I wonder Jim had your client removed all their user settings when they did
>> the jaws uninstalls?
>> either manually, or allowing the uninstaller to do so?
>>
>> Doesn't it ask at some point if one wishes to remove those? I just can't
>> recall now.
>>
>> <sigh.>.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jon squally" <jonsqually@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:00 PM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hello all.
>>>
>>> I do not think that Jim is really asking how to develop further
>>> functionality here. I had a similar issue a while back.
>>>
>>> It should be noted that my issue was with an application that used MSAA
>>> and IE window throughout the scripts and that the issue was with Jaws
>>> 12.0. The way I resolved this was to insure that all signs of Jaws
>>> specific folders were manually removed. The user settings were also
>>> deleted. This is after uninstalling all versions of Jaws and shared
>>> components. Additionally I reinstalled the version recompiled the script
>>> file in question within TextPad using SCompile. I also seem to remember
>>> setting an MSAA flag within my JCF file. The msaa mode can be checked in
>>> script utility mode.I finally got this working again after realizing that
>>> Th jaws installer does what seems like more of a complete installation
>>> when all remnants are removed first. The other question to ask is how are
>>> other programs doing when using MSAA? I hope this helps, Jon.
>>>
>>> Jon Squally
>>> Adaptive Computer Solutions LLC
>>> Bridging the Gap to Software Accessibility
>>> Jaws certified 92% 6/2011
>>> Web site: <http://www.jonsqually.com>
>>> Phone: 503.752.2291
>>> Fax: 503.536.6795
>>> Email: support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2013, at 9:28 PM, John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did you try GetObjectName?
>>>> Joh
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Snowbarger
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:31 PM
>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] MSAA Object Tracking
>>>>
>>>> This one has me stumped. I wonder if you guys have any ideas.
>>>> A client has approached me with a problem application, one of the lovely
>>>> Izotope audio applications. It's another one of those apps where the
>>>> jaws
>>>> cursor sees only the window title bar, and nothing else.
>>>> The company did some work to make it accessible through MSAA. As a
>>>> result
>>>> of that, Jaws is generally tracking the control with focus as you tab
>>>> around. But, the implementation seems a little strange. If you poke
>>>> around
>>>> with the jaws cursor, and just happen to find your way to the control
>>>> with
>>>> focus, you can do getObjectAtPoint, and get the object. But, it has no
>>>> parent, no children, and no peers. It is just out in space all by
>>>> itself.
>>>> Jaws can speak the object if you call
>>>> SayObjectTypeAndText().
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The problem started to develop when he upgraded to jaws 13, on windows 7
>>>> 64
>>>> bit, in that some controls were not spoken, while most still were. But,
>>>> when he bumped up to jaws 14, all object tracking ceased. He can no
>>>> longer
>>>> hear control names, and
>>>>
>>>> SayObjectTypeAndText() just says the name of the main window, no matter
>>>> where he thinks he is focused. NVDA is able to track the object just
>>>> fine.
>>>> But, jaws has lost track.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He removed jaws 14 and shared components. Even removed jaws 13 and
>>>> shared,
>>>> though presumably there weren't any. So, he thinks he is clean. But
>>>> installing jaws 13 by itself, did not recover to previous jaws 13
>>>> behavior,
>>>> but now exhibits the jaws 14 behavior of not speaking the control in
>>>> focus.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The weird thing is that jaws 14 tracks the object just fine on my system,
>>>> though I have not installed the latest patch, after reading some of the
>>>> comments made here. I think he had done so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I thought shared components was mostly video intercept logic,
>>>> and
>>>> would have nothing to do with MSAA.
>>>>
>>>> So, I'm at a loss to help him figure out how to get that working again.
>>>> Thus, I come to you.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody have any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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