Hi, I can confirm this guys issue. I use a drum program which requires extensive use of the jaws cursor. Since updating to the latest jaws 14 I can no longer see anything in this program with the jaws cursor. I have removed jaws and shared components and user settings. Rebooted and deleted all jaws folders and files, including the dcm files. I then Rebooted and reinstalled jaws 13, but still have no jaws cursor action. If anyone finds a solution, I too would love to know. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 07/05/2013, at 1:13 PM, "Andrew Hart" <ahart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Jim, > > Hey, did you get him to try running JAWS with the /default switch to > eliminate any user settings that could possibly be gumming up the works? > > Cheers, > Andrew. > > On 6/05/2013 9:56 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote: >> That's right, guys. I know how to use those functions. I'm just trying to >> figure why his system broke. He wasn't running any custom scripts at all. >> After he removed jaws 13 and 14, including the shared components, he >> installed jaws 11, which should now be the definitive last word on shared >> components. And,it no longer worked with that application. He says he >> removed shared components but, Of course, I wasn't there and can't verify >> that. I know he believes that. <grin> >> But, he probably left user-specific settings. No matter, he wasn't running >> those versions any more. He was running jaws 11, which used to work. >> Shared components are the only link between jaws versions that I know of. >> >> Can I learn anything from the file version of jawsVid.dll? >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 7:21 PM >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking >> >> >> Yeah. Like John, it seemed to me also, >> that at least initially, Jim seemed more to be querying what could possibly >> be different about his system compared to his Client's, as regards MSA >> object tracking behaviour anomalies. >> >> there are just sooo many caveats to tracking down all this stuff eh. >> >> I wonder Jim had your client removed all their user settings when they did >> the jaws uninstalls? >> either manually, or allowing the uninstaller to do so? >> >> Doesn't it ask at some point if one wishes to remove those? I just can't >> recall now. >> >> <sigh.>. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "jon squally" <jonsqually@xxxxxxxxx> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Cc: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:00 PM >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking >> >> >>> >>> Hello all. >>> >>> I do not think that Jim is really asking how to develop further >>> functionality here. I had a similar issue a while back. >>> >>> It should be noted that my issue was with an application that used MSAA >>> and IE window throughout the scripts and that the issue was with Jaws >>> 12.0. The way I resolved this was to insure that all signs of Jaws >>> specific folders were manually removed. The user settings were also >>> deleted. This is after uninstalling all versions of Jaws and shared >>> components. Additionally I reinstalled the version recompiled the script >>> file in question within TextPad using SCompile. I also seem to remember >>> setting an MSAA flag within my JCF file. The msaa mode can be checked in >>> script utility mode.I finally got this working again after realizing that >>> Th jaws installer does what seems like more of a complete installation >>> when all remnants are removed first. The other question to ask is how are >>> other programs doing when using MSAA? I hope this helps, Jon. >>> >>> Jon Squally >>> Adaptive Computer Solutions LLC >>> Bridging the Gap to Software Accessibility >>> Jaws certified 92% 6/2011 >>> Web site: <http://www.jonsqually.com> >>> Phone: 503.752.2291 >>> Fax: 503.536.6795 >>> Email: support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> >>> On May 3, 2013, at 9:28 PM, John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Did you try GetObjectName? >>>> Joh >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Snowbarger >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:31 PM >>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] MSAA Object Tracking >>>> >>>> This one has me stumped. I wonder if you guys have any ideas. >>>> A client has approached me with a problem application, one of the lovely >>>> Izotope audio applications. It's another one of those apps where the >>>> jaws >>>> cursor sees only the window title bar, and nothing else. >>>> The company did some work to make it accessible through MSAA. As a >>>> result >>>> of that, Jaws is generally tracking the control with focus as you tab >>>> around. But, the implementation seems a little strange. If you poke >>>> around >>>> with the jaws cursor, and just happen to find your way to the control >>>> with >>>> focus, you can do getObjectAtPoint, and get the object. But, it has no >>>> parent, no children, and no peers. It is just out in space all by >>>> itself. >>>> Jaws can speak the object if you call >>>> SayObjectTypeAndText(). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The problem started to develop when he upgraded to jaws 13, on windows 7 >>>> 64 >>>> bit, in that some controls were not spoken, while most still were. But, >>>> when he bumped up to jaws 14, all object tracking ceased. He can no >>>> longer >>>> hear control names, and >>>> >>>> SayObjectTypeAndText() just says the name of the main window, no matter >>>> where he thinks he is focused. NVDA is able to track the object just >>>> fine. >>>> But, jaws has lost track. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> He removed jaws 14 and shared components. Even removed jaws 13 and >>>> shared, >>>> though presumably there weren't any. So, he thinks he is clean. But >>>> installing jaws 13 by itself, did not recover to previous jaws 13 >>>> behavior, >>>> but now exhibits the jaws 14 behavior of not speaking the control in >>>> focus. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The weird thing is that jaws 14 tracks the object just fine on my system, >>>> though I have not installed the latest patch, after reading some of the >>>> comments made here. I think he had done so. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Actually, I thought shared components was mostly video intercept logic, >>>> and >>>> would have nothing to do with MSAA. >>>> >>>> So, I'm at a loss to help him figure out how to get that working again. >>>> Thus, I come to you. >>>> >>>> Anybody have any suggestions? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks very much. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________� >>>> >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >>>> >>>> __________� >>>> >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >>> __________� >>> >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> __________� >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts >> >> >> >> __________� >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > > > __________� > > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > __________� View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts