[jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
- From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
- To: "jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 09:38:19 -0400
I stopped upgrading at jaws 14.0.918. The next build broke my jaws cursor. In
order to restore the functionality I uninstalled all jaws on my machine going
back to jaws 11. I then reinstalled jaws 11 and up to jaws 14.0.918 the last
version to work. Then I was back to where things were before the jaws cursor
broke. Now I am gun shy about upgrading, it took so much work to get my system
back to the way I wanted it.
Regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trouble
Sent: May 7, 2013 8:31 AM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
Well here is a straw, could it have something to do with the video intercept
that 14 don't use.
Because win8 is a whole new game on that subject.
At 11:47 PM 5/6/2013, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I can confirm this guys issue. I use a drum program which requires
>extensive use of the jaws cursor. Since updating to the latest jaws 14
>I can no longer see anything in this program with the jaws cursor.
>
>I have removed jaws and shared components and user settings. Rebooted
>and deleted all jaws folders and files, including the dcm files. I then
>Rebooted and reinstalled jaws 13, but still have no jaws cursor action.
>If anyone finds a solution, I too would love to know.
>
>Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
>
>On 07/05/2013, at 1:13 PM, "Andrew Hart" <ahart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > Hey, did you get him to try running JAWS with the /default switch to
> > eliminate any user settings that could possibly be gumming up the works?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andrew.
> >
> > On 6/05/2013 9:56 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> >> That's right, guys. I know how to use those
> functions. I'm just trying to
> >> figure why his system broke. He wasn't running any custom scripts at all.
> >> After he removed jaws 13 and 14, including the shared components,
> >> he installed jaws 11, which should now be the definitive last word
> >> on shared components. And,it no longer worked with that
> >> application. He says he removed shared components but, Of course,
> >> I wasn't there and can't verify that. I know he believes that.
> >> <grin> But, he probably left user-specific
> settings. No matter, he wasn't running
> >> those versions any more. He was running jaws 11, which used to work.
> >> Shared components are the only link between jaws versions that I know of.
> >>
> >> Can I learn anything from the file version of jawsVid.dll?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 7:21 PM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah. Like John, it seemed to me also, that at least initially, Jim
> >> seemed more to
> be querying what could possibly
> >> be different about his system compared to his Client's, as regards
> >> MSA object tracking behaviour anomalies.
> >>
> >> there are just sooo many caveats to tracking down all this stuff eh.
> >>
> >> I wonder Jim had your client removed all their user settings when
> >> they did the jaws uninstalls?
> >> either manually, or allowing the uninstaller to do so?
> >>
> >> Doesn't it ask at some point if one wishes to remove those? I just
> >> can't recall now.
> >>
> >> <sigh.>.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "jon squally" <jonsqually@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Cc: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:00 PM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hello all.
> >>>
> >>> I do not think that Jim is really asking how to develop further
> >>> functionality here. I had a similar issue a while back.
> >>>
> >>> It should be noted that my issue was with an application that used
> >>> MSAA and IE window throughout the scripts and that the issue was
> >>> with Jaws 12.0. The way I resolved this was to insure that all
> >>> signs of Jaws specific folders were manually removed. The user
> >>> settings were also deleted. This is after uninstalling all versions of
> >>> Jaws and shared
> >>> components. Additionally I reinstalled
> the version recompiled the script
> >>> file in question within TextPad using SCompile. I also seem to
> >>> remember setting an MSAA flag within my JCF file. The msaa mode
> >>> can be checked in script utility mode.I finally got this working
> >>> again after realizing that Th jaws installer does what seems like
> >>> more of a complete installation when all remnants are removed
> >>> first. The
> other question to ask is how are
> >>> other programs doing when using MSAA? I hope this helps, Jon.
> >>>
> >>> Jon Squally
> >>> Adaptive Computer Solutions LLC
> >>> Bridging the Gap to Software Accessibility Jaws certified 92%
> >>> 6/2011 Web site: <http://www.jonsqually.com>
> >>> Phone: 503.752.2291
> >>> Fax: 503.536.6795
> >>> Email: support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On May 3, 2013, at 9:28 PM, John Martyn
> >>> <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Did you try GetObjectName?
> >>>> Joh
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim
> >>>> Snowbarger
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:31 PM
> >>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] MSAA Object Tracking
> >>>>
> >>>> This one has me stumped. I wonder if you guys have any ideas.
> >>>> A client has approached me with a problem application, one of the
> >>>> lovely Izotope audio applications. It's another one of those
> >>>> apps where the jaws cursor sees only the window title bar, and
> >>>> nothing else.
> >>>> The company did some work to make it accessible through MSAA. As
> >>>> a result of that, Jaws is generally tracking the control with
> >>>> focus as you tab around. But, the implementation seems a little
> >>>> strange. If you poke around with the jaws cursor, and just
> >>>> happen to find your way to the control with focus, you can do
> >>>> getObjectAtPoint, and get the object. But, it has no parent, no
> >>>> children, and no peers. It is just out in space all by itself.
> >>>> Jaws can speak the object if you call SayObjectTypeAndText().
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The problem started to develop when he upgraded to jaws 13, on
> >>>> windows 7
> >>>> 64
> >>>> bit, in that some controls were not spoken, while most still
> >>>> were. But, when he bumped up to jaws 14, all object tracking
> >>>> ceased. He can no longer hear control names, and
> >>>>
> >>>> SayObjectTypeAndText() just says the name of the main window, no
> >>>> matter where he thinks he is focused. NVDA is able to track the
> >>>> object just fine.
> >>>> But, jaws has lost track.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> He removed jaws 14 and shared components. Even removed jaws 13
> >>>> and shared, though presumably there weren't any. So, he thinks
> >>>> he is clean. But installing jaws 13 by itself, did not recover
> >>>> to previous jaws 13 behavior, but now exhibits the jaws 14
> >>>> behavior of not speaking the control in focus.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The weird thing is that jaws 14 tracks the
> object just fine on my system,
> >>>> though I have not installed the latest patch, after reading some
> >>>> of the comments made here. I think he had done so.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, I thought shared components was mostly video intercept
> >>>> logic, and would have nothing to do with MSAA.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, I'm at a loss to help him figure out how to get that working again.
> >>>> Thus, I come to you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anybody have any suggestions?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks very much.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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