[jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
- From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 20:56:21 -0500
That's right, guys. I know how to use those functions. I'm just trying to
figure why his system broke. He wasn't running any custom scripts at all.
After he removed jaws 13 and 14, including the shared components, he
installed jaws 11, which should now be the definitive last word on shared
components. And,it no longer worked with that application. He says he
removed shared components but, Of course, I wasn't there and can't verify
that. I know he believes that. <grin>
But, he probably left user-specific settings. No matter, he wasn't running
those versions any more. He was running jaws 11, which used to work.
Shared components are the only link between jaws versions that I know of.
Can I learn anything from the file version of jawsVid.dll?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 7:21 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
Yeah. Like John, it seemed to me also,
that at least initially, Jim seemed more to be querying what could possibly
be different about his system compared to his Client's, as regards MSA
object tracking behaviour anomalies.
there are just sooo many caveats to tracking down all this stuff eh.
I wonder Jim had your client removed all their user settings when they did
the jaws uninstalls?
either manually, or allowing the uninstaller to do so?
Doesn't it ask at some point if one wishes to remove those? I just can't
recall now.
<sigh.>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jon squally" <jonsqually@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:00 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
>
> Hello all.
>
> I do not think that Jim is really asking how to develop further
> functionality here. I had a similar issue a while back.
>
> It should be noted that my issue was with an application that used MSAA
> and IE window throughout the scripts and that the issue was with Jaws
> 12.0. The way I resolved this was to insure that all signs of Jaws
> specific folders were manually removed. The user settings were also
> deleted. This is after uninstalling all versions of Jaws and shared
> components. Additionally I reinstalled the version recompiled the script
> file in question within TextPad using SCompile. I also seem to remember
> setting an MSAA flag within my JCF file. The msaa mode can be checked in
> script utility mode.I finally got this working again after realizing that
> Th jaws installer does what seems like more of a complete installation
> when all remnants are removed first. The other question to ask is how are
> other programs doing when using MSAA? I hope this helps, Jon.
>
> Jon Squally
> Adaptive Computer Solutions LLC
> Bridging the Gap to Software Accessibility
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>
> On May 3, 2013, at 9:28 PM, John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Did you try GetObjectName?
>> Joh
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Snowbarger
>> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:31 PM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] MSAA Object Tracking
>>
>> This one has me stumped. I wonder if you guys have any ideas.
>> A client has approached me with a problem application, one of the lovely
>> Izotope audio applications. It's another one of those apps where the
>> jaws
>> cursor sees only the window title bar, and nothing else.
>> The company did some work to make it accessible through MSAA. As a
>> result
>> of that, Jaws is generally tracking the control with focus as you tab
>> around. But, the implementation seems a little strange. If you poke
>> around
>> with the jaws cursor, and just happen to find your way to the control
>> with
>> focus, you can do getObjectAtPoint, and get the object. But, it has no
>> parent, no children, and no peers. It is just out in space all by
>> itself.
>> Jaws can speak the object if you call
>> SayObjectTypeAndText().
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem started to develop when he upgraded to jaws 13, on windows 7
>> 64
>> bit, in that some controls were not spoken, while most still were. But,
>> when he bumped up to jaws 14, all object tracking ceased. He can no
>> longer
>> hear control names, and
>>
>> SayObjectTypeAndText() just says the name of the main window, no matter
>> where he thinks he is focused. NVDA is able to track the object just
>> fine.
>> But, jaws has lost track.
>>
>>
>>
>> He removed jaws 14 and shared components. Even removed jaws 13 and
>> shared,
>> though presumably there weren't any. So, he thinks he is clean. But
>> installing jaws 13 by itself, did not recover to previous jaws 13
>> behavior,
>> but now exhibits the jaws 14 behavior of not speaking the control in
>> focus.
>>
>>
>>
>> The weird thing is that jaws 14 tracks the object just fine on my system,
>> though I have not installed the latest patch, after reading some of the
>> comments made here. I think he had done so.
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, I thought shared components was mostly video intercept logic,
>> and
>> would have nothing to do with MSAA.
>>
>> So, I'm at a loss to help him figure out how to get that working again.
>> Thus, I come to you.
>>
>> Anybody have any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks very much.
>>
>>
>>
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