[jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
- From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 20:42:39 -0500
We might have two separate issues here. The jaws cursor issues probably
does have to do with the games they are having to play because of dreaded
windows 8.
The original problem that got me involved has nothing to do with jaws
cursor. It never could see anything in this noise reduction program. It is
entirely an MSAA object thing. So, I don't really expect the version of
jawsVid.dll is even involved. Though, admittedly, I'm grasping at this
point. I'll try the default switch, once I figure it out.
That function I was calling, SayObjectTypeAndText(), was announcing each
control that had focus, but now, it just says the name of the window, or
object, that contains them, even though, the way he had to put focus in that
dialog, so tabbing around would work, involved a click with the jaws cursor.
As of now, he can find the thing he is supposed to click on, so the jaws
cursor works, for reading. But, the clicking may not. Can't tell for sure.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bissett, Tom" <tom.bissett@xxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 8:38 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
I stopped upgrading at jaws 14.0.918. The next build broke my jaws cursor.
In order to restore the functionality I uninstalled all jaws on my machine
going back to jaws 11. I then reinstalled jaws 11 and up to jaws 14.0.918
the last version to work. Then I was back to where things were before the
jaws cursor broke. Now I am gun shy about upgrading, it took so much work
to get my system back to the way I wanted it.
Regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trouble
Sent: May 7, 2013 8:31 AM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
Well here is a straw, could it have something to do with the video intercept
that 14 don't use.
Because win8 is a whole new game on that subject.
At 11:47 PM 5/6/2013, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I can confirm this guys issue. I use a drum program which requires
>extensive use of the jaws cursor. Since updating to the latest jaws 14
>I can no longer see anything in this program with the jaws cursor.
>
>I have removed jaws and shared components and user settings. Rebooted
>and deleted all jaws folders and files, including the dcm files. I then
>Rebooted and reinstalled jaws 13, but still have no jaws cursor action.
>If anyone finds a solution, I too would love to know.
>
>Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
>
>On 07/05/2013, at 1:13 PM, "Andrew Hart" <ahart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > Hey, did you get him to try running JAWS with the /default switch to
> > eliminate any user settings that could possibly be gumming up the works?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andrew.
> >
> > On 6/05/2013 9:56 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> >> That's right, guys. I know how to use those
> functions. I'm just trying to
> >> figure why his system broke. He wasn't running any custom scripts at
> >> all.
> >> After he removed jaws 13 and 14, including the shared components,
> >> he installed jaws 11, which should now be the definitive last word
> >> on shared components. And,it no longer worked with that
> >> application. He says he removed shared components but, Of course,
> >> I wasn't there and can't verify that. I know he believes that.
> >> <grin> But, he probably left user-specific
> settings. No matter, he wasn't running
> >> those versions any more. He was running jaws 11, which used to work.
> >> Shared components are the only link between jaws versions that I know
> >> of.
> >>
> >> Can I learn anything from the file version of jawsVid.dll?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 7:21 PM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah. Like John, it seemed to me also, that at least initially, Jim
> >> seemed more to
> be querying what could possibly
> >> be different about his system compared to his Client's, as regards
> >> MSA object tracking behaviour anomalies.
> >>
> >> there are just sooo many caveats to tracking down all this stuff eh.
> >>
> >> I wonder Jim had your client removed all their user settings when
> >> they did the jaws uninstalls?
> >> either manually, or allowing the uninstaller to do so?
> >>
> >> Doesn't it ask at some point if one wishes to remove those? I just
> >> can't recall now.
> >>
> >> <sigh.>.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "jon squally" <jonsqually@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Cc: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:00 PM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hello all.
> >>>
> >>> I do not think that Jim is really asking how to develop further
> >>> functionality here. I had a similar issue a while back.
> >>>
> >>> It should be noted that my issue was with an application that used
> >>> MSAA and IE window throughout the scripts and that the issue was
> >>> with Jaws 12.0. The way I resolved this was to insure that all
> >>> signs of Jaws specific folders were manually removed. The user
> >>> settings were also deleted. This is after uninstalling all versions
> >>> of Jaws and shared
> >>> components. Additionally I reinstalled
> the version recompiled the script
> >>> file in question within TextPad using SCompile. I also seem to
> >>> remember setting an MSAA flag within my JCF file. The msaa mode
> >>> can be checked in script utility mode.I finally got this working
> >>> again after realizing that Th jaws installer does what seems like
> >>> more of a complete installation when all remnants are removed
> >>> first. The
> other question to ask is how are
> >>> other programs doing when using MSAA? I hope this helps, Jon.
> >>>
> >>> Jon Squally
> >>> Adaptive Computer Solutions LLC
> >>> Bridging the Gap to Software Accessibility Jaws certified 92%
> >>> 6/2011 Web site: <http://www.jonsqually.com>
> >>> Phone: 503.752.2291
> >>> Fax: 503.536.6795
> >>> Email: support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On May 3, 2013, at 9:28 PM, John Martyn
> >>> <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Did you try GetObjectName?
> >>>> Joh
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim
> >>>> Snowbarger
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:31 PM
> >>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] MSAA Object Tracking
> >>>>
> >>>> This one has me stumped. I wonder if you guys have any ideas.
> >>>> A client has approached me with a problem application, one of the
> >>>> lovely Izotope audio applications. It's another one of those
> >>>> apps where the jaws cursor sees only the window title bar, and
> >>>> nothing else.
> >>>> The company did some work to make it accessible through MSAA. As
> >>>> a result of that, Jaws is generally tracking the control with
> >>>> focus as you tab around. But, the implementation seems a little
> >>>> strange. If you poke around with the jaws cursor, and just
> >>>> happen to find your way to the control with focus, you can do
> >>>> getObjectAtPoint, and get the object. But, it has no parent, no
> >>>> children, and no peers. It is just out in space all by itself.
> >>>> Jaws can speak the object if you call SayObjectTypeAndText().
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The problem started to develop when he upgraded to jaws 13, on
> >>>> windows 7
> >>>> 64
> >>>> bit, in that some controls were not spoken, while most still
> >>>> were. But, when he bumped up to jaws 14, all object tracking
> >>>> ceased. He can no longer hear control names, and
> >>>>
> >>>> SayObjectTypeAndText() just says the name of the main window, no
> >>>> matter where he thinks he is focused. NVDA is able to track the
> >>>> object just fine.
> >>>> But, jaws has lost track.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> He removed jaws 14 and shared components. Even removed jaws 13
> >>>> and shared, though presumably there weren't any. So, he thinks
> >>>> he is clean. But installing jaws 13 by itself, did not recover
> >>>> to previous jaws 13 behavior, but now exhibits the jaws 14
> >>>> behavior of not speaking the control in focus.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The weird thing is that jaws 14 tracks the
> object just fine on my system,
> >>>> though I have not installed the latest patch, after reading some
> >>>> of the comments made here. I think he had done so.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, I thought shared components was mostly video intercept
> >>>> logic, and would have nothing to do with MSAA.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, I'm at a loss to help him figure out how to get that working
> >>>> again.
> >>>> Thus, I come to you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anybody have any suggestions?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks very much.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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