[jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
- From: Trouble <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 08:30:59 -0400
Well here is a straw, could it have something to
do with the video intercept that 14 don't use.
Because win8 is a whole new game on that subject.
At 11:47 PM 5/6/2013, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I can confirm this guys issue. I use a drum
>program which requires extensive use of the jaws
>cursor. Since updating to the latest jaws 14 I
>can no longer see anything in this program with the jaws cursor.
>
>I have removed jaws and shared components and
>user settings. Rebooted and deleted all jaws
>folders and files, including the dcm files. I
>then Rebooted and reinstalled jaws 13, but still
>have no jaws cursor action. If anyone finds a
>solution, I too would love to know.
>
>Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
>
>On 07/05/2013, at 1:13 PM, "Andrew Hart" <ahart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > Hey, did you get him to try running JAWS with the /default switch to
> > eliminate any user settings that could possibly be gumming up the works?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andrew.
> >
> > On 6/05/2013 9:56 PM, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> >> That's right, guys. I know how to use those
> functions. I'm just trying to
> >> figure why his system broke. He wasn't running any custom scripts at all.
> >> After he removed jaws 13 and 14, including the shared components, he
> >> installed jaws 11, which should now be the definitive last word on shared
> >> components. And,it no longer worked with that application. He says he
> >> removed shared components but, Of course, I wasn't there and can't verify
> >> that. I know he believes that. <grin>
> >> But, he probably left user-specific
> settings. No matter, he wasn't running
> >> those versions any more. He was running jaws 11, which used to work.
> >> Shared components are the only link between jaws versions that I know of.
> >>
> >> Can I learn anything from the file version of jawsVid.dll?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 7:21 PM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah. Like John, it seemed to me also,
> >> that at least initially, Jim seemed more to
> be querying what could possibly
> >> be different about his system compared to his Client's, as regards MSA
> >> object tracking behaviour anomalies.
> >>
> >> there are just sooo many caveats to tracking down all this stuff eh.
> >>
> >> I wonder Jim had your client removed all their user settings when they did
> >> the jaws uninstalls?
> >> either manually, or allowing the uninstaller to do so?
> >>
> >> Doesn't it ask at some point if one wishes to remove those? I just can't
> >> recall now.
> >>
> >> <sigh.>.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "jon squally" <jonsqually@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Cc: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:00 PM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: MSAA Object Tracking
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hello all.
> >>>
> >>> I do not think that Jim is really asking how to develop further
> >>> functionality here. I had a similar issue a while back.
> >>>
> >>> It should be noted that my issue was with an application that used MSAA
> >>> and IE window throughout the scripts and that the issue was with Jaws
> >>> 12.0. The way I resolved this was to insure that all signs of Jaws
> >>> specific folders were manually removed. The user settings were also
> >>> deleted. This is after uninstalling all versions of Jaws and shared
> >>> components. Additionally I reinstalled
> the version recompiled the script
> >>> file in question within TextPad using SCompile. I also seem to remember
> >>> setting an MSAA flag within my JCF file. The msaa mode can be checked in
> >>> script utility mode.I finally got this working again after realizing that
> >>> Th jaws installer does what seems like more of a complete installation
> >>> when all remnants are removed first. The
> other question to ask is how are
> >>> other programs doing when using MSAA? I hope this helps, Jon.
> >>>
> >>> Jon Squally
> >>> Adaptive Computer Solutions LLC
> >>> Bridging the Gap to Software Accessibility
> >>> Jaws certified 92% 6/2011
> >>> Web site: <http://www.jonsqually.com>
> >>> Phone: 503.752.2291
> >>> Fax: 503.536.6795
> >>> Email: support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On May 3, 2013, at 9:28 PM, John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Did you try GetObjectName?
> >>>> Joh
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Snowbarger
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:31 PM
> >>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] MSAA Object Tracking
> >>>>
> >>>> This one has me stumped. I wonder if you guys have any ideas.
> >>>> A client has approached me with a problem application, one of the lovely
> >>>> Izotope audio applications. It's another one of those apps where the
> >>>> jaws
> >>>> cursor sees only the window title bar, and nothing else.
> >>>> The company did some work to make it accessible through MSAA. As a
> >>>> result
> >>>> of that, Jaws is generally tracking the control with focus as you tab
> >>>> around. But, the implementation seems a little strange. If you poke
> >>>> around
> >>>> with the jaws cursor, and just happen to find your way to the control
> >>>> with
> >>>> focus, you can do getObjectAtPoint, and get the object. But, it has no
> >>>> parent, no children, and no peers. It is just out in space all by
> >>>> itself.
> >>>> Jaws can speak the object if you call
> >>>> SayObjectTypeAndText().
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The problem started to develop when he upgraded to jaws 13, on windows 7
> >>>> 64
> >>>> bit, in that some controls were not spoken, while most still were. But,
> >>>> when he bumped up to jaws 14, all object tracking ceased. He can no
> >>>> longer
> >>>> hear control names, and
> >>>>
> >>>> SayObjectTypeAndText() just says the name of the main window, no matter
> >>>> where he thinks he is focused. NVDA is able to track the object just
> >>>> fine.
> >>>> But, jaws has lost track.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> He removed jaws 14 and shared components. Even removed jaws 13 and
> >>>> shared,
> >>>> though presumably there weren't any. So, he thinks he is clean. But
> >>>> installing jaws 13 by itself, did not recover to previous jaws 13
> >>>> behavior,
> >>>> but now exhibits the jaws 14 behavior of not speaking the control in
> >>>> focus.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The weird thing is that jaws 14 tracks the
> object just fine on my system,
> >>>> though I have not installed the latest patch, after reading some of the
> >>>> comments made here. I think he had done so.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, I thought shared components was mostly video intercept logic,
> >>>> and
> >>>> would have nothing to do with MSAA.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, I'm at a loss to help him figure out how to get that working again.
> >>>> Thus, I come to you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anybody have any suggestions?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks very much.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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