[isapros] Re: ISA MVP List

Isn't that because you are the team lead & you flog them to death if they stop 
working?

;)~~~~~~

-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Jim Harrison
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:36 PM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA MVP List

I've seen postings hereabout from other ISA team members, but you're right; 
those are few & far between...

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-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 08:03
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA MVP List

Guess I don't really care what you call the list or where it resides. Just so 
long as people with a vested interest in ISA can find it and the ISA PM and 
other MS people are also members. It would be nice if Jim could catch a break 
and not be the only guy out there. This list is good but it's a pretty private 
group.

Amy Babinchak
 
-----Original Message-----
From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:29 AM
To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA MVP List

If you're going to get them anywhere, it will be over here on this list.
Even if not, Jim joining up with that one again isn't going to change that.
If the concern is that "ISA needs a community" then like I said before, we've 
already got one.  If it is "ISA MVP's need a community" (like,
exclusively) then it looks like you are the only one that thinks that, even 
among the other ISA MVP's (even the one that you know).

To me, the REAL value of a true "community" comes from the bond being interest 
and passion for the product itself, and not some arbitrary 3rd party 
affiliation (like "MVP").  That's evident in the fate of that ISA-MVP list.  
Hell, it even had other area MVP's in it (like me) but it still sucked. 

Technically, this list is superior to any other list out there - you can still 
help perpetuate the ISA community, but it looks like the best way to do that is 
to bag the ISA MVP list altogether unless you really think you can repair the 
extensive damage its reputation suffered.

t


On 12/1/06 6:59 AM, "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> spoketh to 
all:

> Yeah but that conference only happens once every 2 years. Where are 
> they the rest of the time?
> 
> Amy Babinchak
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:50 AM
> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA MVP List
> 
> Hi Amy,
> 
> OK, got it.
> 
> That's the value of the worldwide MVP conference, which is happening 
> in just about four months. A lot of them show up during the conference 
> and it's nice to see that there are quite a few MVPs in ISA. You get 
> face time with the PG, and I'm really hoping that they'll have some 
> ISA 2008 stuff for us this year to mull over.
> 
> Tom
> 
> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> Site: www.isaserver.org
> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
> 
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> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:44 AM
>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA MVP List
>> 
>> We're not talking about the list, we just talking about ISA MVP's in 
>> general. I can only name 2 - you and me. Not much of a community.
>> 
>> Amy Babinchak
>>  
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Thomas W Shinder
>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:26 AM
>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA MVP List
>> 
>> I ain't on that list no mo'.
>> 
>> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
>> Site: www.isaserver.org
>> Blog: http://blogs.isaserver.org/shinder/
>> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
>> MVP -- Microsoft Firewalls (ISA)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison
>>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:19 AM
>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA MVP List
>>> 
>>> Lessee...
>>> There's Amy Babinchak.
>>> :-p
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
>>> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:49 AM
>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA MVP List
>>> 
>>> I don't even know who the ISA MVP's are. Tom's one. I think
>> that he's
>>> the only one I know.
>>> 
>>> Amy Babinchak
>>>  
>>>  
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Steve Moffat
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:31 PM
>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA MVP List
>>> 
>>> In my humble opinion...there are only a handful of people on all the 
>>> lists that I subscribe to that actually deserve the title MVP....the 
>>> rest...all bumblers that I wouldn't give 5 minutes to...
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:06 PM
>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA MVP List
>>> 
>>> Well that's part of the point. The ISA MVP list is supposed to be a 
>>> place where MVP's can interact with the product team. The
>> product team
>>> has been pretty much silent, with the notable exception of Jim. Jim 
>>> shouldn't be left hanging as the only community guy on the inside.
>>> There's really no community is no one at Microsoft is listening and 
>>> participating.
>>> 
>>> Amy Babinchak
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:isapros-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God)
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:28 PM
>>> To: isapros@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [isapros] Re: ISA MVP List
>>> 
>>> Well, that's a good start. But we *already have* an ISA
>> community over
>>> here, and we're not limited by "presumed NDA" conversations...
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, I've gotten far more value from this list and the 
>>> existing ISA communities than anything I got from the ISA MVP list - 
>>> that's one of the reasons I left that list (among others).
>>> 
>>> Just my opinion, of course.
>>> 
>>> t
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/30/06 11:05 AM, "Amy Babinchak"
>> <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> spoketh to all:
>>> 
>>>> FYI: Susan has left the ISA MVP list and made me the
>> admin. You are
>>>> welcome to re-join if you wish. ISA needs a community. Communities
>>> help
>>>> build good products that work for companies deploying them.
>>>> 
>>>> Amy Babinchak
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
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