Thou doth speaketh truthily (eth). I'd like to counter Tim's statements on the RRAS/system routing issue, but I have to "clean" my examples first (NDA and all that, y'see). -------------------------------------------- Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! -------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:04 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question http://www.ISAserver.org Correction: RRAS is always installed. Whether its enabled and configured is the real issue. Thomas W Shinder, M.D. Site: www.isaserver.org Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/ Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls **Who is John Galt?** > -----Original Message----- > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:20 PM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > > Of course- that's its purpose... > > 2 caveats, though. One, if RRAS is installed on the box > before you install > ISA, and you have a static route to other networks in RRAS, > ISA won't take > that network and automatically add it to its list of IP's for > the internal > network. It will, however, take a system route added with > "route add" and > add the destination network to it's Internal list. My guess > is that you > wrote it like that on purpose as the stack is more > authoritative for "local" > traffic. > > Two, while I agree that in normal RRAS situations you should > use the RRAS > interface to manage your routing, when it comes to RRAS on > ISA, ISA should > *not* have to depend upon the RRAS service for it's own > routing needs. > Remote Access might go down, but internal routing to other > subnets will > continue to work properly if the routes are added directly to > the system > rather than RRAS. > > t > > ----- > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger." > John T > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:55 PM > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > I misspoke.. > > RRAS can carry routes that do not appear in the system routing table. > ISA doesn't care where the routes are; it "merges" them. > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Jim Harrison > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ > http://isatools.org > Read the help / books / articles! > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 13:37 > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > RRAS doesn't write to the system routes - just its "own" > routes. If I > create a static route with "route -p add" RRAS will see it > and use it, but > RRAS cannot delete it. > > When it comes to ISA routes (for ISA itself, as in a complex > network), I > *always* use system routes and not RRAS. I assume this is one of the > excpetions you note, yes? > > ----- > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger." > John T > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:29 PM > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question > > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Actually it reads and writes. > As a rule of thumb; you want to populate your routes using RRAS if its > installed. > There are exceptions to this, but they're few and far between... > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Jim Harrison > MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG > http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ > http://isatools.org > Read the help / books / articles! > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Babinchak [mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:57 > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Doesn't RRAS read the Windows table? Not that it matters > because there's no > RRAS on the server I as working on. > > Amy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexandre Gauthier [mailto:gauthiera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:00 PM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > I was under the impression that it was actually up up down > down left right > left right a b start. (And ooga booga.) > > Just remember that if you have RRAS installed you get *two* > routing tables. > The RRAS db and the one you get from cmd.exe (route print). > > I don't know if this helps, but I just helped someone > yesterday by saying > that. > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Amy Babinchak [mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Envoyé : 20 janvier 2006 13:18 > À : [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Objet : [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > Na, it's send quick email to ISA list, clear and recheck > event log for the > absence of annoyance, (say ooga, booga if you want to), check > email, done. > > Amy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John T (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:06 PM > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question > > http://www.ISAserver.org > > No, it is jump up and down and twist side to side saying ooga > booga 3 times. > > 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