RE: Routing Table Question

  • From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:23:33 -0600

Why I outta!

Anyhow, we've been over this before. This issue has been a Holy Grail for 
years, as there's no docs on the ms.com site on exactly how the cmd line ROUTE 
and the RRAS static routes interact and exactly what they do. 

So there. I win again.

Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:18 PM
> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> 
> http://www.ISAserver.org
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> Thanks, Steve! <bfg>
> 
> -----
> "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> John T
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:06 AM
> Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> 
> 
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> 
> Yep ;-P
> 
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:59 PM
> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > So just change "installed" to "enabled and configured."  Is
> > that all you
> > have to contribute to the conversation?? :-p
> >
> > -----
> > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > John T
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:03 AM
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> >
> >
> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >
> > Correction:
> >
> > RRAS is always installed. Whether its enabled and configured
> > is the real
> > issue.
> >
> > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:20 PM
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > >
> > > Of course- that's its purpose...
> > >
> > > 2 caveats, though.  One, if RRAS is installed on the box
> > > before you install
> > > ISA, and you have a static route to other networks in RRAS,
> > > ISA won't take
> > > that network and automatically add it to its list of IP's for
> > > the internal
> > > network.  It will, however, take a system route added with
> > > "route add" and
> > > add the destination network to it's Internal list.  My guess
> > > is that you
> > > wrote it like that on purpose as the stack is more
> > > authoritative for "local"
> > > traffic.
> > >
> > > Two, while I agree that in normal RRAS situations you should
> > > use the RRAS
> > > interface to manage your routing, when it comes to RRAS on
> > > ISA, ISA should
> > > *not* have to depend upon the RRAS service for it's own
> > > routing needs.
> > > Remote Access might go down, but internal routing to other
> > > subnets will
> > > continue to work properly if the routes are added directly to
> > > the system
> > > rather than RRAS.
> > >
> > > t
> > >
> > > -----
> > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > > John T
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:55 PM
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > I misspoke..
> > >
> > > RRAS can carry routes that do not appear in the system
> > routing table.
> > > ISA doesn't care where the routes are; it "merges" them.
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >    Jim Harrison
> > >    MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > >    http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
> > >    http://isatools.org
> > >    Read the help / books / articles!
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 13:37
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > RRAS doesn't write to the system routes - just its "own"
> > > routes.  If I
> > > create a static route with "route -p add" RRAS will see it
> > > and use it, but
> > > RRAS cannot delete it.
> > >
> > > When it comes to ISA routes (for ISA itself, as in a complex
> > > network), I
> > > *always* use system routes and not RRAS.  I assume this is
> > one of the
> > > excpetions you note, yes?
> > >
> > > -----
> > > "I'll see your Llama and up you a Badger."
> > > John T
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:29 PM
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > Actually it reads and writes.
> > > As a rule of thumb; you want to populate your routes using
> > RRAS if its
> > > installed.
> > > There are exceptions to this, but they're few and far between...
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >    Jim Harrison
> > >    MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
> > >    http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
> > >    http://isatools.org
> > >    Read the help / books / articles!
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Amy Babinchak [mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:57
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > Doesn't RRAS read the Windows table? Not that it matters
> > > because there's no
> > > RRAS on the server I as working on.
> > >
> > > Amy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Alexandre Gauthier [mailto:gauthiera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:00 PM
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > I was under the impression that it was actually up up down
> > > down left right
> > > left right a b start. (And ooga booga.)
> > >
> > > Just remember that if you have RRAS installed you get *two*
> > > routing tables.
> > > The RRAS db and the one you get from cmd.exe (route print).
> > >
> > > I don't know if this helps, but I just helped someone
> > > yesterday by saying
> > > that.
> > >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De : Amy Babinchak [mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Envoyé : 20 janvier 2006 13:18
> > > À : [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Objet : [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > Na, it's send quick email to ISA list, clear and recheck
> > > event log for the
> > > absence of annoyance, (say ooga, booga if you want to), check
> > > email, done.
> > >
> > > Amy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John T (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:06 PM
> > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> > >
> > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > >
> > > No, it is jump up and down and twist side to side saying ooga
> > > booga 3 times.
> > >
> > > John T
> > > eServices For You
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Steve Moffat [mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:56 AM
> > > > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> > > > Subject: [isalist] RE: Routing Table Question
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > Rotate 3 times and say wagga wagga wagga...:))
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Amy Babinchak [mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:42 PM
> > > > To: ISA Mailing List
> > > > Subject: [isalist] Routing Table Question
> > > > Importance: High
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ISAserver.org
> > > >
> > > > When I make a change to the Windows routing table do I 
> have to do
> > > > anything for it to take effect?
> > > >
> > > > Amy
> > > >
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