Hi, You need them on both stencil(paste_layer) and PCB, reason being.. As described, The sequence of event goes like this on automated paste printing machine, board loaded onto stencil machine . The camera comes in snap a picture of the PCB, stencil comes down.. Camera comes in again, snaps a picture of the stencil. Machine will run a offset check and re-align the stencil according to the PCB position taken earlier. That's why you need both reference point to compare. Regarding whether solder paste were ever printed on that spot . Most likely not,. Saw some mail earlier about "global" fiducial, yes, at times, this global stencil fiducial does not get etch/laser though, only step etch to provide contrast during CCD imaging done by the machine. In addition, you will notice that manufacturing end will want this fiducial along the longest diagonal point across for most optimum alignment purpose. Cheers CL -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cosentino, Tony Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:02 PM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: paste pad on fiducial The solder paste on the global fiducials is only used to create an opening used for stencil alignment and the stencil openings are only on the global fiducials. All other fiducials do not get the stencil openings. And I agree that the assembly house does not actually paste / reflow these global fiducials. Tony Cosentino Tekelec -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Finczak Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 7:39 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: paste pad on fiducial Ed and Robert, We code our fiducials with solder paste so that our DFM software does not flag them as errors. All surface mount pads are checked to make sure that they have a solder mask opening, and a solder paste pad. However, I took a look at some assembled boards and noticed that the fiducials do not have any solder paste on them. This may be a case where two different requirements conflict, and the people making the solder paste stencils quietly change them. Regards, Mike Finczak CopperCAD Design www.CopperCAD.com 905-488-8958 -----Original Message----- From: icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:icu-pcb-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Szumowicz Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:58 AM To: icu-pcb-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [PCB_FORUM] Re: paste pad on fiducial Below there is a link to SMEA Fiducial Mark Standard, which does not advice the solder paste on fiducials although different assembly houses may have different requirements (we use a cross shape covered by ENIG). In the past we had fiducials with the paste on them and we were asked to change it. www.smema.org/smema3.1.pdf cheers, Robert Ed Caldwell wrote: > > I can't remember why paste pads are on fiducials... can anyone help > me. > > Thanks, > Ed ----------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe/unsubscribe: Send a message to icu-pcb-forum-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject of subscribe or unsubscribe To view the archives of this list go to //www.freelists.org/archives/icu-pcb-forum/ Problems or Questions: Send an email to icu-pcb-forum-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe/unsubscribe: Send a message to icu-pcb-forum-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject of subscribe or unsubscribe To view the archives of this list go to //www.freelists.org/archives/icu-pcb-forum/ Problems or Questions: Send an email to icu-pcb-forum-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe/unsubscribe: Send a message to icu-pcb-forum-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject of subscribe or unsubscribe To view the archives of this list go to //www.freelists.org/archives/icu-pcb-forum/ Problems or Questions: Send an email to icu-pcb-forum-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe/unsubscribe: Send a message to icu-pcb-forum-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject of subscribe or unsubscribe To view the archives of this list go to //www.freelists.org/archives/icu-pcb-forum/ Problems or Questions: Send an email to icu-pcb-forum-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----------------------------------------------------------