[icon Discussions] Re: orion
- From: lou smith <lousmith07@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: david-tanner@xxxxxxxxxxxx, <hillco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Icon List" <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
- Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 06:31:19 -0400
I issued one to a teacher who honestly was too busy to make use of it the way I
had hoped. Part of
me is glad that she probably won't use it very much for the potential down-time
of the device. My
personal one has keys that don't always react as they should, but some of that
may be the operator in that
I'm a fast brailler.
On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 23:16:00 -0500, David Tanner wrote:
>My concern is that a majority of folks who would end up with such devices
>are college students, and the last thing they need is to be without their
>notetaking device.
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Hill" <hillco@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: "Icon List" <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 10:48 PM
>Subject: [icon Discussions] Re: orion
>
>
>>I'd definitely want an advanced replacement program for any future
>>levelstar device. I've waited weeks at a time, glad it wasn't months, and
>>I found the process to be tiresome. I do way too much to expect a braille
>>device to survive going with me all day, so I wouldn't even go there.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 7/2/2011 19:57, David Tanner wrote:
>>>Lou,
>>>
>>>Same here, but actually worse. The first couple of months I had my
>>>Braille Plus I loved it, and I recommended it for one of my clients. He
>>>thought it was fantastic, but he had it less than three months and had
>>>problems that required it to be sent in. With no correspondance from APH
>>>or Levelstar for almost three months it finally came back only to have
>>>more problems 3 or 4 months later. This time it was gone almost 3 months
>>>again. This was enough for me to be very sure that I wouldn't recommend
>>>it again because of his problems, knowing that he was taking good care
>>>of his other technology, and that there were other people having the
>>>same problems.
>>>
>>>Given the repair problems with the Braille Plus, and the record of
>>>having a device for months at a time leaving the user without their unit
>>>makes me very unsure that I would want to depend on a better track
>>>record for the same companies a second time around. There is little
>>>assurance that the track record will be better second time around, and
>>>particularly given that there is a Braille display involved this time.
>>>
>>>Talk to me a year from now and there is a good track record and lots of
>>>happy customers and maybe I'll change my mind.
>>>
>>>Meantime, I will be following the mailinglist to see how things
>>>develope. And, I hope it will be good news.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "lou smith" <lousmith07@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <kriegler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Cc: <icon-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:20 AM
>>>Subject: [icon Discussions] Re: orion
>>>
>>>
>>>Les, I have to agree. I see that day coming as well. As someone who
>>>works for voc rehab in Maryland
>>>recommending technology, I'm waiting for the price to see what I think.
>>>My wife saw how much I
>>>liked the Braille Plus, and bought it for me. I'm sad to say I only
>>>recommended 3 since the
>>>device was released for various reasons. I have recommended one iPod
>>>touch and an external
>>>bluetooth keyboard. I really think this is the way the market will
>>>eventually go. Having said that, I
>>>can't wait to get my hands on the Orion.
>>>
>>>Lou
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 02:28:52 -0400, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Richard,
>>>>
>>>>Given the way the accessibility market works, you can forget about
>>>>further
>>>>development of the Braille Plus. I expressed my concerns about this when
>>>>the Orion was announced. But we blind people are largely responsible for
>>>>this, in my opinion. As soon as a product is announced, you see people
>>>>droolling to get their hands on the latest and greatest. Then those same
>>>>consumers will go to their state VR reps and ask for what they think
>>>>they
>>>>want and need to be purchased. Now, before anybody jumps down my
>>>>throat, I
>>>>know some of you by your own equipment and if you decide to purchase
>>>>this
>>>>with your money, that's fine. But I believe the majority of individuals
>>>>have someone covering their costs, be at family members, state rehab,
>>>>etc.
>>>>So we as a group have ourselves to blame for much of what happens.
>>>>There's
>>>>no money made in software development. The cycle is to put a product out
>>>>there for a few years, put out a couple of relatively minor updates, and
>>>>then it's on to something else. This is particularly the case in the
>>>>notetaker market. But the day of reckoning is coming, as voc rehab
>>>>will at
>>>>some point face cuts as everyone else has, and fiscally, these
>>>>overpriced
>>>>devices will start to take a hit. It can't happen soon enough, in my
>>>>opinion.
>>>>
>>>>Les
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:icon-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Fiorello
>>>>Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 8:38 PM
>>>>To: icon-discuss
>>>>Subject: [icon Discussions] orion
>>>>
>>>>Hi list;
>>>>Haven't seen an Orion but from the information provided it does much
>>>>more than I want or need. Long ago gave up on gps or cell phone and
>>>>purchased other divices that did the job. The built in text recognition
>>>>is nice but I really don't need it. I'd really love! a continued
>>>>braille plus with some of the kinks worked out. Checked out the braille
>>>>note list and they didn't sound at all positive. The folks on the hims
>>>>list are a very up beat positive group and their divice might be more of
>>>>what I want but unfortunately it won't support nls and their primary
>>>>focus seems to be on the unit with a built in braille display like the
>>>>Orion. I like braille in its place but 18 cells requires lots of
>>>>scrolling and doesn't do good things to the price.
>>>>I guess I will just have to put my thinking cap on and see what comes.
>>>>--
>>>>richard
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>>>>For answers to the most frequently asked questions about Icon and
>>>>Braille +,
>>>>Visit
>>>>the LevelStar and APH FAQ pages:
>>>>Visit the LevelStar FAQ page at
>>>>http://www.levelstar.com/support-faqs.php
>>>>Visit the APH FAQ page at
>>>>http://sun1.aph.org/webcast/brailleplus2/faq.html
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>>>>Braille +,
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>>>For answers to the most frequently asked questions about Icon and
>>>Braille +, Visit
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>>>Visit the APH FAQ page at
>>>http://sun1.aph.org/webcast/brailleplus2/faq.html
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>>For answers to the most frequently asked questions about Icon and Braille
>>+, Visit
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>>http://www.levelstar.com/support-faqs.php
>>Visit the APH FAQ page at
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