The question of "what do we do for the vendors where everything is blank?" is EXACTLY what I want the viewer to ask. There are two questions that should arise from the slide: 1) If we pick Verilog-A, what about the VHDL-AMS only vendors? 2) No matter what we pick, what about vendors without -A or -AMS support? Remember the slide appears before we introduce the macro approach, as part of the description of the problem. I'm suggesting that our approach to multiple language support arises in response to the natural questions posed by slide 4. I'll change the slide if the group wants, but I actually think it's simpler and more straightforward this way ("this is the problem we were up against"). The other thing that deleting the substitution column did was eliminate the issue of whether we were declaring vendor's future plans or not. The slide simply shows current tool language support as represented by the vendors. Comments are welcome and appreciated. Todd. Todd Westerhoff High Speed Design Group Manager Cisco Systems 1414 Massachusetts Ave Boxboro, MA 01719 email:twesterh@xxxxxxxxx ph: 978-936-2149 ____________________________________________ "Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." - Mark Twain -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Muranyi, Arpad Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:04 PM To: ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Epiphany I tend to agree with Bob's opinion that something should be mentioned about substitution on that chart. It looks empty this way begging the question why those vendors/tools are listed then... Arpad ====================================================== -----Original Message----- From: ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ibis-macro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Ross Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:01 AM To: twesterh@xxxxxxxxx Cc: ibis-macro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ibis-macro] Re: Epiphany Todd: Details - should put your name as author since this will be stored as westerhoff.pdf, etc. Looks OK, but not clear why two vendors are listed with no checks. need some footnote or explaination that they would probably use a SPICE mapping solution (substitution), but still could be supported. Slide 11 - ok, but could correct the syntax in the boxes, but not critical. Bob Todd Westerhoff (twesterh) wrote: > Take a look at slide 4. > > It occurred to me that the vendor / tool / language matrix was better > suited to describing why we picked the approach we did. As such, I've > removed the "substitution" column and moved it forward in the presentation. > > - It now explains why we picked Verilog-A as our initial > implementation language (most tool support) > - It also explains why we needed VHDL-AMS support (key vendor support) > - Adding Sigrity and Apsim shows why we needed a substitution scheme > and, by extension, adherence to basic SPICE element types > > Comments are welcome and appreciated. > > Todd. > > Todd Westerhoff > High Speed Design Group Manager > Cisco Systems > 1414 Massachusetts Ave > Boxboro, MA 01719 > email:twesterh@xxxxxxxxx > ph: 978-936-2149 > ____________________________________________ > "Always do right. > This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." > > - Mark Twain > -- Bob Ross Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC Teraspeed Labs 121 North River Drive 13610 SW Harness Lane Narragansett, RI 02882 Beaverton, OR 97008 401-284-1827 503-430-1065 http://www.teraspeed.com 503-246-8048 Direct bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Teraspeed is a registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website: http://www.sisoft.com/ibis-macro IBIS Macro archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website: http://www.sisoft.com/ibis-macro IBIS Macro archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe --------------------------------------------------------------------- IBIS Macro website: http://www.sisoft.com/ibis-macro IBIS Macro archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/ibis-macro To unsubscribe send an email: To: ibis-macro-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: unsubscribe