Helmar, I don't care if you think I (or we) are too dumb to see your reasoning, or wether we see the whole picture or not. But I know one thing, and that is that you fail to see the _nature_ of this Haiku project. Other's have tried to explain this to you and to give you arguments for why things are as they are. Most of your argumentation is build on the _assumed_ existance of certain motivations. But all is very simple: 1) We cannot do things like you propose, because we have not enough time. Period. Personally, I wouldn't even have enough time to read another mailing list, let alone take part in a discussion to finalize some of the ideas into a proposed roadmap or anything. 2) Motivation. I can only speak for myself of course, but I think I'm sharing my motivation with others. Which is to have some _fun_ in my spare time, working in a team of nice and knowledgable people. Learn something for myself. Sometimes I simply spend my time reading the newly commited code, trying to understand it and gain something from it. If something comes out of this project/behaviour that is useful for others, fine. If not, fine too. How can your arguments possibly have any impact on people that base their work on this kind of motivation? And finally, here is something for you: You are talking to other people, you're on one side of a discussion. Implying that the others don't see your points because they are too dumb, less experienced or simply failing to see the whole picture, but you do, is pretty rude and gets you nowhere. I think it speaks for those that even keep talking and try to explain things to you. On a social level, you're the one who can learn something. It helps to think of others to be at least on the same level as you, much of your arguments are based on the assumption that you're talking to less experienced, less intelligent people, who fail to see the whole picture of what _they_ are doing and/or fail to acknowledge you as more experienced. Best regards, -Stephan