I deleted the branch now as people are clearly offended by even only having the minimum level of security that even Windows offers since Windows XP (optionally signed executables, optionally signed drivers, signed updates) - and that was introduced 14 years ago - and prefer to repeat the security disaster of Windows 98. Users wouldn't even have noticed that packages are signed unless they installed a hpkg from a 3rd party without using a repository, but clearly, people feel offended by even the thought that there is cryptography involved that makes sure that the updates you install are actually from the vendor… So, the branch is gone and we can drop this thread now. --Jonathan I think some security makes sense, so long as the mechanisms are simple, clear easy to understand and unobtrusive. I would suggest we should take the approach of. We can trust everything from Haiku inc, all other caveat empor. But more security does not always grant more security, security is only as good typically as its weakest users. I think brainstorming is fine, but try to find the simplest most elegant design, I am sure this is a concern, but it needs not become one of severe limitations. As for secure boot, the DOJ here in the states is very likely to get involved with that issue shortly. Microsoft being the only key provider, its crazy.the user should be able to enter keys if they so desire, and you can hack around the bios efi anyways I'd bet. A good saying my Grandfather always used to say, locks only keep honest men honest. Sean.