+1 (this is actually the only email I really read :P)Y'all would do well to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater if you haven't already. -waddlesplash I read that article and it rings of unix concerns, concerns mainframes at banks have. Here is what users want, a OS they can install on hardware , vm etc, and to not have to be hassled with constant certificate updates, passwords etc. Sean