[geocentrism] transmarginal state.
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:20:32 +1000
previously Re: Zeitgeist : Jesus-Christ assumed to be a false God, what ever
that meant..
John said,
Paul. I only know that, statistically, very few people begin to believe later
in their lives.
Now Isaac Asimov in his excellent work the physiology of the human brain, (I
just love to stir every side of equations) wrote about this in his discussion
on what he called a TRANSMARGINAL STATE. . I'm going to write it from memory,
and considering it is over 50 years since I read it only once, it shows just
how easy it is to learn something when you are avidly interested.
After explaining how all brain activity is basicly electrical , that is
composed of positive and negative charges, He says about epilypsy and other
phenomena that large charges develope which are very close to breakdown. Not
only in epilepsy, but in other conditions, such as genius, fanatically
religious in a given direction or fanatically anti-religious,,etc. One might
say it is the depth of charge on the barriers in the brain that reflect the
intensity of the belief or fanaticism.
When this this condition is very intense the charges are polarised in a given
direction, (not related to the faith of lack thereof, and are of a high value
close to break point.
This condition he called a TRANSMARGINAL STATE. In this state any experience
that is subject related or just overpowering an not directly related, be it
something big he read or saw, or emotional experience, can cause an absolute
breakdown and reversal of polarity... Yes what was positive becomes negative
and vica versa. A sudden conversion occurs, the Bible fanatic believer may
become an athiest, and the athiest ecome a staunch believer. And yes the same
intensity is reached.. Such conditions can even lead to insanity if taken too
far. Real genius is just a switch away from insanity.
So there you have it... Wht we think is the grace of God, may only be the
delusional meanderings of an electrical charged brain in overdrive...
Do I think I am like that? Absolutely not. Cool calm collected and rational..
If I was one in that condition, heavens forbid, he wouldn't write this
blasphemous article would he.. ? I believe what I learned, and I am totally
without any emotion about the subject..
Now when my wife glowers at me in a few moments because I am going to get my
6th beer out of the fridge.. now then I get emotional.. and take two out
together just to spite her...and say it was her fault..
Phil...
----- Original Message -----
From: John Roodt
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:28 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Zeitgeist : Jesus-Christ assumed to be a false God
Paul
God tells me in the book of Romans that what can be known about Him is
manifest in you, and that God has showed it to you so that you are without
excuse. And God cannot lie.
I don't know why you don't (or can't or choose not to) believe, Paul. I only
know that, statistically, very few people begin to believe later in their lives.
I sincerely hope that you are one of the very few.
Marc, Phil and I choose (or more accurately have been chosen) to believe, and
we're having it tough as it is. Give us a break :-)
John
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:32 AM, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I'm in Sydney, Phil. I should have remembered. No wonder you got hit for
the 6 letter word..
Also, I wasn't angered or offended by the word "brainwashed" -- it was
amusing. I'm not surprised that you and Marc consider me as brainwashed -- and
vice versa. But isn't that what deception implies? One or other party is
sincere and almost right. But a miss is a miss? The tragedy of deception is
that the victim sincerely believes that he is correct -- but isn't? The action
of brainwashing does not necessarily imply deception. Its a normal method of
instruction by those who honestly know the truth to those who don't. Thats how
I learned the abc. It can be used for good or evil. Like you say, vica versa!
But most people in the faith business are sincere, rightly or wrongly.. All
victims?
It's understandable that Paul wonders at the conflict amongst the
different groups who share the same Bible. I'd respond to Paul but I think he's
having a dig at us and probably isn't interested in an answer.
Am I right Paul? I never like to miss an opportunity.. He's welcome..
John
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:58 PM, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On second thoughts, Paul, though I am reluctant to print during my
happy hour, and this has been a four hour binge, I was nevertheless inspired to
make a comment immediately.
Your question is exactly the same in principle, as that thrown at Jesus
on the Cross.. "If you are God, then deliver yourself from the cross and we
will believe you..."
Now how far do you think christianity upon which the calandar you use
today was based , would have lasted if He had done that, and came down off the
cross?
He did better... He rose from the dead as promised, on Sunday, your
first day of the week, before many and enough witnesses.. That is what
started it.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Deema
To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:13 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Zeitgeist : Jesus-Christ assumed to be a
false God
Greetings all
I usually pass over the theology stuff but this one seems tailor made
for me.
We are told God not only exists but is Omniscient, Omnipotent and
Omnipresent. You'd think that He would be capable of protecting Himself from
the efforts of His detractors but it seems that this is not so since the only
way these detractors come to grief is if His followers visit harm upon them.
Oddly, many of these detractors claim also to be His followers. One would think
this OOO God would have been able to communicate His needs unambiguously to His
creatures so that they would know, and could demonstrate unequivocally, who was
a detractor and who a follower.
Paul D
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