Philip, The sphere of the cosmos doesn't move 23 degrees north and 23 degrees south (for a total of 46 degrees annually) relative to the Earth ! It is the Sun that moves north - south (total of 46 degrees); HC men claim this is an illusion caused by the tilted Earth. So in GS it is against all observations to claim that the sphere of the cosmos moves north south (total 46 degrees) because we don't observe any annual change (north- south) in the latitude of the stars except for the very tiny aberration. Marc V. ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen Sent: 4 août 2007 17:48 To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moving Earth deception Walter van der Kamp used such assumed association of stars with the Sun to deduce a 58-light-day radius (it may have been 60 Well yes, I can see why he might have even with the complications that might raise. .. But may I add some thoughts.. as it applies to the celestial poles.. First up, in the GS system the earth is not tilted, but stands tall vertical and Proud. The tilt is an invention necessary to explain the seasons in the HC universe. (no one seems to have mentioned this) In this perspective, with this orientation of the earth, as the sphere of the cosmos moves North and South with its annual oscillation, will the changing distance change the angle of view (which causes the polar star to circle) in the same manner as what we see. Also Our system does not provide a base line for the geometry to measure distance (of the polar star) , as perhaps the HC system did. But maybe the distance travelled vertically as measured against the latitudes of the earth, relative to the angle of the cone, as viewed from the pole, might give you something to work with.. Trig is tricky like that.. in establishing the distance to the polar star. I never did much with cones. Phil. ----- Original Message ----- From: Neville Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 12:41 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moving Earth deception Philip, Further to my previous answer, and in terms of a scientific response, I would add that Walter van der Kamp used such assumed association of stars with the Sun to deduce a 58-light-day radius (it may have been 60, I do not recall exactly) for the universe. This is based upon the phenomenon of yearly aberration. He may well be right. As with the aether, I have not decided on which side of this fence to position myself yet. Neville. Philip, I don't know why. It's just a feeling. That's why I placed 'better' in quotation marks. Not a very scientific answer is it?! Neville. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 3/08/2007 5:46 PM