Paul, this round ..Me in purple, answering you in this color Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Allen D Me in this colour. Paul D oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ----- Original Message ---- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, 31 October, 2007 4:20:23 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts? (Supplementary) Paul me in blue... Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Allen D Some extracts from your last accusing me of getting it wrong, of being wilful, of not understanding even HC (obviously inferior) astronomy with my responses. I've commented them here in teal. [ PD ] Because the radius of rotation is trivial in comparison to the distance to the two stars in question and essentially plays no part in the process. [ AD ] IF that were true Paul please exaplain to everyone what causes the star trails we see every night?..Surely you are just kidding.........your stament contridicts your own position...... No it doesn't. Relative rotation on the axis between the camera and the object in question with the object in question at centre frame is what causes star trails. And what part of the "relitive rotaion" of the earth around the sun as the axis do you not see!? It plays no part ,as I've stated many times (if I understand your statement and in truth, I'm not sure of that). look at your own drawing for crying out loud the only difference is the direction of the axis...ofcourse it matters if it did not then your own drawing would be meaningless..... The axis must be the axis of rotation -- either Earth geographical polar axis or Earth orbit axis (Ecliptic) being the two axes under discussion at this juncture. The diameter of each circle (one per star) is determined by the radial displacement of the star making the circle from the axis of rotation. This does not address much less answer the question... There are so many questions hanging at the moment and from several people. Why don't you mention the question? Afraid I'll answer it? The quesion Paul, is why don't we see star trails around this annual axis that is 23.44 offset/ different from the nightly one that produces startrails. by the same rotaional motion, there should be some trail ......? Even assuming that the base line makes no difference then the star trials will be the same size as the nightly only they will exist around an entirly different axis (the annual axis that is 23.44o offset from the nightly ones and it will be different stars in the hierarchy of circles that make up the trails up and down the axis.) Since Polaris would no longer lie on or near the axis of rotation, it would now be further away from the axis even Paul according to your own last drawing (which is a good drawing to demonstrate this) the further a way a star is from the axis of rotation the larger its trail will be.....so you will still see circles the only difference is that since stars are no longer have the same distance from the axis of rotation that they did on the other axis (nightly, it is 23.44o different) the various stars will have new and different sizes then they did before......Polaris will have a larger one now becuse it is further from the axis of rotation.....but..others will have smaller ones because where in the nightly star trails they were far from the axis of rotation, now they either lie on or very close to the axis of rotation ..In fact, if you look at your own diagram along with Jacks you should be able to see why...?.......NONE EXIST!......... THUS THERE IS NO ROTATION! --------------------------------- National Bingo Night. Play along for the chance to win $10,000 every week. Download your gamecard now at Yahoo!7 TV. --------------------------------- National Bingo Night. Play along for the chance to win $10,000 every week. Download your gamecard now at Yahoo!7 TV.