Sorry but I made a mistake by saying that the Sun comes above our heads at approximatly 24hrs interval. It is the orbit of the Sun which is approximatly 24hrs (plus or minus 30s). But the interval between 2 passsages of the Sun above our heads is much more that plus or minus 30s, it is (I forgot exactly) something like plus or minus 15 minutes. This is because the Sun's distance is not always the same, it also depends on the latitude of the observer and latitude (right ascension) of the Sun ... but I don't remember exactly, so I'll get back to you when I find the informations needed.
Christus Imperat, Marc V
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Geostationary Satellites
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:52:26 +0000
I'm afraid you missed completly my questions. Here is what you reported: Here is a quote from >the book Satellite Technology: > "The elevated temperature of the sun causes it to transmit a >high-level electrical noise signal to receiving systems whenever it passes >behind the satellite and comes within the beams of the receiver antennas. >The increase in noise is so severe that a signal outage usually results. >The length and number of the outages depends on the latitude of the earth >station and the diameter of the antenna. At an average latitude of 40° in >the continental United States, and a 10-meter antenna, the outages occur >over 6 days with a maximum duration of 8 minutes each day. With a less >directional 3-meter antenna, the outages occur over 15 days, with a maximum >duration of 24 minutes."(Satellite Technology, p. 13). > This is obviously very embarrassing to the heliocentric people because >the sun is not supposed to move. The sun does move however and twice a year
>it is over the equator.
Now my first question is : what is the cause for the Sun's temperature to rise when it crosses the equator and thus is sending more (electrical) noise to the Earth ?
And why would this phenomena be more embarrassing to the heliocentric people?
You also reported:
"The sun and moon follow a spiral orbit around a stationary Earth.
Complete orbit time is 23 hours 56 minutes for the sun and 24 hours 50 minutes for the moon."
But Bernie, 23h56m is the sideral time, no matter if you live in a GS or HC universe; this means that the same star will come above the same meridian every day at 23h 56m interval. And the Sun comes in approximatly 4 minutes later (plus or minus 30 sec.) to give a total of 24 hours (approximatly) for a Solar day (what we commonly call a day).
You are not giving good credibility to the GS cause by reporting such mistakes!
Christus Imperat, Marc V
>From: Bernard Brauer >Reply-To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Geostationary Satellites >Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:23:35 -0800 (PST) > >Mark, > > There is enough proof already that the Earth is NOT Moving > and that the sun and stars orbit the Earth. > The evidence is overwhelming. We must put > the heliocentrists on the defensive, and let them > try to prove their > foolish ideas like the one about the atmosphere > being attached to the solid ground of the Earth. > Then when they try and answer that, we will find the > flaw in their reasoning, and they will have to go back to the drawing board and search for another explanation, > only to repeat the cycle. heliocentrists ( a word not worthy of a > capital H ) have succeeded for too long in burying > Geocentrists in minutiae, diverting attention away > from the Big Picture issues that already prove Geocentrism. > > For each astronomical or cosmological issue, > the heliocentrists could be questioned about a flaw in > their argument. At 10 years research per issue and there > being 100 issues, that's 1000 years of research I > could ask a heliocentrist to perform, while > I waited for the response. > > Perhaps they could be arrested too, for promoting > one pseudo-scientific lie after another, all just > to keep the tax-funded gravey-train rolling. > > Could you imagine an eleven year old grade 6 student > reading those six or so basic Geocentric papers > for the first time? In just 12 hours of study he would > know more than the Ph. D. heliocentrist ( because > he has just learned the truth and the other person > has not. ) > That is unacceptable and unfair the Ph. D. thinks. > The heliocentrist is 46 years old and the other kid is only 11 > years old. The heliocentrist has spent 35 more years > studying his concept and there is no way he is going to admit that > it was all a waste of time. The heliocentrist is employed > by an organisation which views Geocentricity with contempt > because it would upset their funders' agenda. The Ph. D. > gets $84,000 US per year in salary to support > wife, house, cars, vacation and generally upper- > middle class standard of living, which would > all be gone if he is shown to be a fraud, and now has to > wash dishes, mop floors, etcetera at $19,200 US per year. > That is why Geocentrists find themselves on the receiving end of > a D.I.C.E.Y. ( Duress, Intimidation, Coercion, Extortion, Yelling ) > situation so often with heliocentrists. > > Bernie > > P.S. Did I answer your question? : ~ ) > > > >marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > Bernie, >please forgive my ignorance, but can you explain more in details why you >consider the passage of the Sun at the equator (celestial and terrestrial >equator) while being partly eclipsed by GS would cause the Sun to generate >more noise (radiations)? and why it couldn't be explained in the >heliocentric theory? >Do you know if the same happens when the Sun is being eclipsed by GPS (or >any other satellite not orbiting around the equator) while in other >latitudes than the equator? >If we observe the same stars coming back at the same meridian every 23h56min >and the Sun coming at the same meridian 4 minutes later, how can you say >that the Sun rotate around the Earth in only 23h56 minutes? Then how long >does it takes for the stars to do the same? >Christus Imperat, >Marc Veilleux > > > > > >From: Bernard Brauer > >Reply-To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [geocentrism] Geostationary Satellites Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 > >16:19:13 -0800 (PST) > > > >http://www.reformation.org/geostationary-satellites.html by Niall Kilkenny > > ( go to link if diagrams do not show ) > > > > > > Geostationary Satellites > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > There are two kinds of man-made satellites in the heavens above: One > >kind of satellite ORBITS the earth once or twice a day and the other kind > >is called a communications satellite and it is PARKED in a STATIONARY > >position 22,300 miles (35,900 km) above the equator of the STATIONARY > >Earth. > > A type of the orbiting satellite includes the space shuttle and the > >international space station which keep a low earth orbit (LEO) to avoid the > >deadly Van Allen radiation belts. > > The most prominent satellites in medium earth orbit (MEO) are the > >satellites which comprise the GLOBAL POSITIONING SYSTEM or GPS as it is > >called. > > The Global Positioning System > > The global positioning system was developed by the U.S. military and > >then opened to civilian use. It is used today to track planes, ships, > >trains, cars or literally anything that moves. Anyone can buy a receiver > >and track their exact location by using a GPS receiver. > > > > GPS satellites orbit at a height of about 12.000 miles (19.300 km) and > >orbit the earth once every 12 hours. > > > > About 24 GPS satellites orbit the earth every 12 hours. > > > > > > These satellites are traveling around the earth at speeds of about 7.000 > >mph (11.200 kph). GPS satellites are powered by solar energy. They have > >backup batteries onboard to keep them running in the event of a solar > >eclipse, when there's no solar power. Small rocket boosters on each > >satellite keep them flying in the correct path. The satellites have a > >lifetime of about 10 years until all their fuel runs out. > > Geostationary Satellites > > Geostationary or communications satellites are PARKED in space 22.300 > >miles (35.900. km) above the equator of the STATIONARY earth. Geostationary > >satellites are used for weather forecasting, satellite TV, satellite radio > >and most other types of global communications. > > > > Communications satellite in a stationary position or slot high above the > >earth. > > > > Satellite dish or receiver installed on a house. These dishes point to a > >geostationary satellite. > > > > > > At exactly 22.300 miles above the equator, the force of gravity is > >cancelled by the centrifugal force of the rotating universe. This is the > >ideal spot to park a stationary satellite. > > > > > > At exactly 22.000 miles (35.900. km) above the equator, the earth's > >force of gravity is canceled by the centrifugal force of the rotating > >universe. This is the ideal location to park a stationary satellite. The > >signal to the satellite is very, very precise and any movement of the > >satellite would cause a loss of the signal. > > > > > > Sun outages affect a geostationary satellite > > Geostationary satellites are fantastic means of communication except for > >one little problem called SUN OUTAGES. These sun outages happen during > >March and September when the sun passes the equator. Here is a quote from > >the book Satellite Technology: > > "The elevated temperature of the sun causes it to transmit a > >high-level electrical noise signal to receiving systems whenever it passes > >behind the satellite and comes within the beams of the receiver antennas. > >The increase in noise is so severe that a signal outage usually results. > >The length and number of the outages depends on the latitude of the earth > >station and the diameter of the antenna. At an average latitude of 40° in > >the continental United States, and a 10-meter antenna, the outages occur > >over 6 days with a maximum duration of 8 minutes each day. With a less > >directional 3-meter antenna, the outages occur over 15 days, with a maximum > >duration of 24 minutes."(Satellite Technology, p. 13). > > This is obviously very embarrassing to the heliocentric people because > >the sun is not supposed to move. The sun does move however and twice a year > >it is over the equator. > > > > The sun moves across the equator twice a year giving us the vernal > >(spring) and fall (autumnal) equinoxes. > > 2 times each year the sun passes the equator as it makes it > >north-south spiral. > > On that time, the sun lies on the celestial equator. The word equinox > >refers to the fact that, on this day, the night is equal to the day: each > >is twelve hours long. The sun is directly above the equator, so its rays > >fall vertically down. > > Unfortunately the stationary satellites eclipses the sun and that causes > >electrical noise or interference to the broadcasting signals. > > The Jesuits forgot to change the dictionary!! > > Obviously the Jesuits forget to change the definition of the word > >EQUINOX in the English dictionary because it still gives the true > >scientific definition of the word with the sun MOVING across the equator 2 > >times each year: > > > > "Either of the two times during a year when the sun crosses the > >celestial equator and when the length of day and night are approximately > >equal; the vernal equinox or the autumnal equinox."(Webster's Third New > >International Dictionary). > > PanAmSat's Description of sun outages!! > > Description > >PanAmSat's commercial communications satellites are geostationary, and > >therefore have orbits that lie near the equatorial plane. During the spring > >and fall equinoxes, the sun also passes close to this plane. As seen from > >the ground, the sun seems to pass behind the satellites once per day. > >During the time when both the satellite and the sun are in the ground > >station's field of view, the RF noise energy from the sun can overpower the > >signal from the satellite. It is this loss or degradation of communications > >traffic from the satellite that is referred to as sun fade, sun transit or > >sun outage (see diagram). > > > > The duration of the sun outage depends on several things such as: the > >beam width or field of view of the receiving ground antenna, the apparent > >radius of the sun as seen from the Earth (about 0.25°), the RF energy given > >off by the sun, the transmitter power of the satellite, the gain and S/N > >performance of the ground station receive equipment, along with other > >factors. All this can affect whether a ground station will experience a > >complete loss of signal or only a tolerable degradation in signal quality. > >The exact point at which sun outage begins and ends is difficult to > >determine since it is a gradual transition. The gain of an antenna falls > >off sharply outside the 3dB beam width, but it does not immediately go to > >zero. Therefore, if the sun is just outside the antenna's beam width, it > >can still contribute noise and degrade system performance. This makes it > >difficult to define exactly what conditions constitute a sun outage. > >How the program works > > To aid with sun outage predictions, a parameter called outage angle is > >defined for the ground station. Outage angle is defined as the maximum > >separation angle (measured from the ground station antenna) between the > >satellite and the sun's center, that results in a sun outage. In other > >words, if the separation between the satellite and sun is less than the > >specified outage angle, then the station is said to be experiencing a sun > >outage. Otherwise, the station is not experiencing a sun outage (see > >diagram). > > > > > > Stationary satellites need very small motors to keep them in their > >assigned slot!! > > According to the heliocentric theory, the earth is moving at about 1.000 > >mph at the equator. If the geostationary satellites were moving they would > >have to move at a speed of about 7.000 mph to maintain a stationary orbit > >above a fixed point on the earth. That is about the same speed as the GPS > >satellites orbit the earth twice a day. However, GPS satellites are > >equipped with a rocket engine to maintain their orbit. > > > > Geostationary satellite diagram. > >Click on image to enlarge. > > > > Image of a GPS satellite. Small rocket boosters on each satellite keep > >it flying in the correct path. The satellites have a lifetime of about 10 > >years until all their fuel runs out. > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Don't pick lemons. > >See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.