Jack L I've read the first three of your files. These are just anecdotes and contain nothing of significance. The The fourth is something quite different. Before launching in, I decided to read what had given rise to this extremely wordy document. I found, on the Scientific American website, the original statement which I have pieced together as 15Answers.rtf --attached. Well I then started to read 15 ANSWERS TO JOHN RENNIE.odt. The response to Point 1 (three short paragraphs) is more than seven very densly packed pages. (The Answers to John in fact is 9.36 times as wordy as John Rennie's original article!). I have reached half way through this response to Point 1 by which time I have tentatively reached the conclusion that this document will likely continue in the same vein, namely -- heavy preoccupation with semantic hair splitting and simple contradiction. I don't expect to find any alternative explanations or counter arguments, or description of contrary scientific findings. Then again I may be wrong. We shall see. But tonight I want to get to bed before the Sun rises and I wish to make an initial response as explained below. In the mean time, you may wish to read the original article. If you don't want to do that, then will you oblige me by reading Point 9? It doesn't actually involve evolution, which you may recall, I don't wish to get into here but it does illustrate the dishonest tactics employed by those who John R is complaining about. Now the response runs to eight densly packed pages and I've only read the first paragrph which is very slow to address the issue -- in fact, by the end of that long para, what we know is that " ... we believe that an examination of these matters is warranted." I'll try to read all of the response to Point 9 by tomorrow night's efforts but perhaps you will favour me by then with your ideas about the Second Law of Thermodynamics and how you see its pronouncements proving the non occurence of abiogenesis and/or evolution. Files mentioned - Abiogenesis MS.doc Bang_goes_a_theory_MS On_The_Right_Side_MS 15 ANSWERS TO JOHN RENNIE.odt [ Word count = 41683 ] 15Answers.rtf [ Word count == 4452 ] Paul D ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html