Bernie B OK -- we all make errors and omissions. Well then, if it is not 778 million kilometres -- and you state that it is not -- what is it? What do you say that it is? If differing from your answer, what does geocentric measurement or theory say that it is? And in order to visualise the whole picture, we also need to know what is the average distance separating the Earth and Jupiter. Again -- what do you say it is and what does geocentric measurement or theory say that it is? What is the basis for your estimating my perception of deception at 5.1%? (That's one part in a thousand accuracy. You need a lot of data to substantiate that kind of accuracy, especially when you are dealing with something as ill defined as your estimate of someone else's perception of many other people's actions. Personally, I think your mouth is just running on autopilot). What grounds do you have for assuming that I perceive any deception? What is your justification for assuming that the real figure is ten times this? Concerning your photographs. Given average good seeing, you will see much more detail through an eight inch Newtonian than your rather fuzzy pics show. I have vivid memories of Jupiter seen through a very good six inch Newtonian. While the bands of weather shown in your fuzzy pic were much clearer in my telescopic view, the impression that one is seeing clouds (you know -- observation, one of your four markers of true science?) was inescapable. Of course, if you fail to remove the biblical filter you might see mountains. Paul D ________________________________ From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, 26 October, 2008 5:11:21 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Centrifical force Paul D, Here is what was posted: "The average distance between Jupiter and the Sun is 778 million km." It should have read - HELIOCENTRISTS SAY or MAINSTREAM SCIENTISTS SAY that "The average distance between Jupiter and the Sun is 778 million km." I don't believe this distance LIE. Do you think that deception may exist in the Space Sciences but it is only around 5.1% of the time? The correct figure is ten times that, being over 51% of the time. That means people should stop being so gullible AND LOOK FOR deception and lies 51 percent of the time. This is what you don't comprehend. The same Mainsteam Science bunch that brought you heliocentricity has lied about the Moon Landing, Mars Landing, Global Warming and other Mega Deceptions and it is just shrugged off by Science PhD's!!! Bernie Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail