Bernie B Under the subject "I do not see me circling the sun." (reproduced at the bottom) to which you have for some reason best known to yourself sought to move this matter, you have suggested below the course I might take in order to answer my question concerning how your four processes could be used to substantiate your assertion. Let me refresh your memory. Here is the question (with emphasis) to help you to not miss or misconstrue the point- oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Bernie B You said - "The average distance between Jupiter and the Sun is 778 million km."From http://sites.google.com/site/earthdeception/ we have - True, NON-HYPOTHETICAL Science ( observational data, our senses, physical Explain to me how you used these four processes to substantiate your assertion.Later perhaps we can address the next point. Paul D PS You may want to fix this line up - Moreover, the Intelligible Christian Bible'sBible's Voluntarily-funded Geocentric/Geostatic Model of the ... See how I care for your well-being? ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (And incidentally Neville T also managed to misunderstand this plain English). I was notasking how you used these principles to make your whole damn shootin' match appear reasonable. Just your assertion that Jupiter exists at an average distance of 778 million km from the Sun. Clear now? Paul Deema wrote: Explain to me how you used these four processes ( observational data, our senses, physical experiments, and logic ) to substantiate your assertion. Later perhaps we can address the next point. Paul, Please see my webpage compilation at: http://sites.google.com/site/earthdeception and two of the links: 1. www.realityreviewed.com 2. www.fixedearth.com then print out every page, then read every page, then rest two weeks, then read every page again. And if that doesn't convince you of Geocentric Correctness then what will? Quote: "But the sun circles me, I do not see me circling the sun." Bernie oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ...experiments, and logic ) Note that the assertion for which I requested an explanation was - "The average distance between Jupiter and the Sun is 778 million km." Concerning your suggestions as to how I might become convinced of the correctness of your whole damn shootin' match which ended with - And if that doesn't convince you of Geocentric Correctness then what will?, I offer in the following paragraph, some comments. My geocentric journey began some time ago at Marshall Hall's Technicolour Emporium of Highly Disputable "Facts" so I know what is there. But I'm not seeking his opinion of how you used those four processes, so clearly, searching his site would not help. Neville T's latest Version of Reality similarly will not help. I also know what is at 'earthdeception' having visited it regularly to make sure that you are neither quoting nor misquoting me there.Besides, most of it is from Marshall Hall's Technicolour Emporium, or Neville's Version of Reality or from this forum. Rather than all that printing and waste of paper and time reading and resting, I took the simple approach - I just did a Ctrl-F (for Find) 778. It wasn't found. There was only one find for 'Jupiter' but that wasn't in relation to distances. So -- again, please - Explain to me how you used these four processes ( observational data, our senses, physical experiments, and logic ) to substantiate your assertion that Jupiter exists at an average distance from the Sun of 778 million km. Congatulations on fixing that error. As a concession to you, I will tell you what will convince me of Geocentric Correctness. I will be convinced when your gurus publish the results of real experiments -- with maths -- which explain the workings of the Universe, or at the absolute very least, the Solar System; when space exploration planned and successfully executed on the basis of your previously published workings of the Universe with pictures showing that Jupiter is indeed a rocky planet (which, for the record, is NOT predicted by heliocentric theory (unless of course you can show me an article published in a refereed mainstream science journal (Nature, Science etc) or even Popular Mechanics if you're stretched, which indicates that it is)). As a further concession to you, I'll also indicate how you, Bernie of the Brauer family, can prove for yourself, that Jupiter has an atmosphere. Go to your local amateur astronomy club and ask them if they would be prepared to let you look at Jupiter through an eight inch Newtonian or better telescope intermittently over a period of hours and even days and to take photos through it of what you saw. This would best be done when Jupiter is at superior conjunction. If they are at all reluctant, tell them that you wish to prove to others -- that's me |[:-) -- that Jupiter is a rocky planet and that the Earth is the centre of the Universe. In the event they are still reluctant, you should repeat the request of the club in the next suburb -- one of them is almost certain to accomodate you. Good viewing. Paul D oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail