Just to clarify, Heading 3 is not defined by BANA. That's a Duxbury style that was added years ago and there's no corresponding rationale for it by way of the format rules. BANA rules have centered headings (heading 1) and cell 5 headings (heading 2). We also have what are called paragraph headings, which are the inset headings that are typically in italics at the beginning of a paragraph, but DBT does not have a corresponding style for that situation. The BANA Word/DBT templates only have Heading 1 and Heading 2, which correspond with the BANA rules. Heading 3 was dropped to avoid confusion about the situation you've talked about. Susan -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:27 AM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: styles, styles and more s Thanks for the correction, Dave. However it's slightly more subtle than that even. If text, or even a blank line, precedes a Heading 1, then there will always be just one blank line before. With the exception that if the heading appears at the top of a new page, it will not leave a blank line at the top of the page. I must also say that I have often wondered why BAUK and BANA continue to recommend the same layout for Heading levels 2 and above. George. -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Durber Sent: 03 August 2009 03:19 To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: styles, styles and more s Hello George: DBT's H1 style when used under BANA rules, has a blank line before and after the centered text. Personally speaking, under BANA rules, having heading 2 and 3 behave the same way, i.e., the heading preceded by a blank line, the text of the heading starting in cell 5 and if necessary subsequent lines also wrapping to cell 5, followed on the next line by a paragraph, list, etc., is rather rediculous because, when you are skimming through text for a particular heading which might be a level 2, you have to take extra care that you do not miss it. When I transcribe information to braille, I have an H2 style that has a blank line, followed by the line or lines of text, starting and wrapping to cell 1 followed by a blank line. By having heading level 2 behave differently from heading level 3, finding either heading level becomes much easier and quicker and is also more efficient. Sincerely: Dave Durber ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: [duxuser] Re: styles, styles and more s > > > Hi Jo, > > It's good to hear that you are experimenting with Styles in Word. I > guess the main ones for anyone new to the concept are Normal, and > Headings 1, 2 and 3. These will map to DBT's para. and h1., h2. and > h3. Styles respectively. > > In Braille terms these styles usually appear (or feel) as follows. I > say "usually" because there may be variations in DBT's non-American > Templates. > > Word's Normal, DBT's para. - This is the standard braille paragraph > Style which begins in cell 3, with run over lines in cell 1. > > Word's Heading 1, DBT's h1. - This is centered and followed by a blank > line. > > Words Heading 2 and above, DBT's h2. and above - These will begin in > cell 5 with a blank line before. > > Visually in Word, it is difficult to be certain as again it can vary, > but the Normal Style might be in the order of 10 point Times New > Roman. Heading 1 might be Bold 16 point, Heading 2 Bold 14 point, and > Heading 3 bold 12 point. > > One of the important points is that if Styles such as the above are > used in Word, DBT will see and import them for what they are - normal > text or Headings. > > However in Word, if you manipulate the attributes of the text instead, > to make something LOOK like a heading, then DBT will simply see normal > text which has been made bold, underlined and/or italicised. > Consequently you will find additional, usually unwanted, font > information in braille to tell you that the text is bold etc.. > > So what is the point of using Styles anyway? > > Well in Word, if you decide for example that you want each Heading 1 > to begin a new page, it's relatively easy to change that Style, and > all occurrences will be changed. Likewise if you don't like a styles > font, that too can be changed, and everywhere that Style is used, it > will change. > > Likewise in DBT, Styles can be changed. It's not necessarily > something for the beginner to do, but it's not exactly rocket science > either. Hence for example, if you wanted a blank line between > paragraphs, you could modify DBT's para. Style. > > And if you have a long document, you can make things more navigable by > adding a Table of Contents. But you can only do that automatically if > you have used proper Heading Styles, be it in Word of DBT. In Word, a > Table of Contents can have what are called "Hyperlinks", and so if you > find the subject you are looking for in the Contents, you can jump > directly to that subject. Likewise when you build a braille Table of > Contents in DBT, you can show print or braille page numbers and find > things much quicker. > > George. > > -----Original Message----- > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jo Taliaferro > Sent: 01 August 2009 19:41 > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [duxuser] styles, styles and more s > > > > Hi everybody, > I'm a little confused here. I keep hearing that to work with Duxbury > most > efficiently, it's important to be familiar with using styles in Word. > Well, where does one begin to learn and become comfortable with styles > so as > to use Duxbury most effectively? I'm using Window-Eyes and > experimenting > with the use of different levels of headings and the shortcut keys but > that > doesn't always tell me what it looks like in print or how it will > "feel" in > braille when it's translated. Is there a reference around comparing > the > style in a Word document to its equivalent in Duxbury? Thank you. > Jo Taliaferro > > * * * > * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org. > * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > * unsubscribe > * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also > * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription > * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive > * is also located there. > * Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com > * * * > * * * > * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org. > * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > * unsubscribe > * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also > * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription > * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. 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