[duxuser] Re: styles, styles and more s

  • From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:27:19 +0100


Thanks for the correction, Dave.  However it's slightly more subtle
than that even.

If text, or even a blank line, precedes a Heading 1, then there will
always be just one blank line before.

With the exception that if the heading appears at the top of a new
page, it will not leave a blank line at the top of the page.

I must also say that I have often wondered why BAUK and BANA continue
to recommend the same layout for Heading levels 2 and above.

George.

-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: 03 August 2009 03:19
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: styles, styles and more s



Hello George:

DBT's H1 style when used under BANA rules, has a blank line before and
after
the centered text.

Personally speaking, under BANA rules, having heading 2 and 3 behave
the
same way, i.e., the heading preceded by a blank line, the text of the
heading starting in cell 5 and if necessary subsequent lines also
wrapping
to cell  5, followed on the next line by a paragraph, list, etc., is
rather
rediculous because, when you are skimming through text for a
particular
heading which might be a level 2, you have to take extra care that you
do
not miss it.

When I transcribe information to braille, I have an H2 style that has
a
blank line, followed by the line or lines of text, starting and
wrapping to
cell 1 followed by a blank line.

By having heading level 2 behave differently from heading level 3,
finding
either heading level becomes much easier and quicker and is also more
efficient.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 5:05 PM
Subject: [duxuser] Re: styles, styles and more s


>
>
> Hi Jo,
>
> It's good to hear that you are experimenting with Styles in Word. I
> guess the main ones for anyone new to the concept are Normal, and
> Headings 1, 2 and 3.  These will map to DBT's para. and h1., h2. and
> h3. Styles respectively.
>
> In Braille terms these styles usually appear (or feel) as follows.
I
> say "usually" because there may be variations in DBT's non-American
> Templates.
>
> Word's Normal, DBT's para. - This is the standard braille paragraph
> Style which begins in cell 3, with run over lines in cell 1.
>
> Word's Heading 1, DBT's h1. - This is centered and followed by a
blank
> line.
>
> Words Heading 2 and above, DBT's h2. and above - These will begin in
> cell 5 with a blank line before.
>
> Visually in Word, it is difficult to be certain as again it can
vary,
> but the Normal Style might be in the order of 10 point Times New
> Roman.  Heading 1 might be Bold 16 point, Heading 2 Bold 14 point,
and
> Heading 3 bold 12 point.
>
> One of the important points is that if Styles such as the above are
> used in Word, DBT will see and import them for what they are -
normal
> text or Headings.
>
> However in Word, if you manipulate the attributes of the text
instead,
> to make something LOOK like a heading, then DBT will simply see
normal
> text which has been made bold, underlined and/or italicised.
> Consequently you will find additional, usually unwanted, font
> information in braille to tell you that the text is bold etc..
>
> So what is the point of using Styles anyway?
>
> Well in Word, if you decide for example that you want each Heading 1
> to begin a new page, it's relatively easy to change that Style, and
> all occurrences will be changed.  Likewise if you don't like a
styles
> font, that too can be changed, and everywhere that Style is used, it
> will change.
>
> Likewise in DBT, Styles can be changed.  It's not necessarily
> something for the beginner to do, but it's not exactly rocket
science
> either.  Hence for example, if you wanted a blank line between
> paragraphs, you could modify DBT's para. Style.
>
> And if you have a long document, you can make things more navigable
by
> adding a Table of Contents.  But you can only do that automatically
if
> you have used proper Heading Styles, be it in Word of DBT.  In Word,
a
> Table of Contents can have what are called "Hyperlinks", and so if
you
> find the subject you are looking for in the Contents, you can jump
> directly to that subject.  Likewise when you build a braille Table
of
> Contents in DBT, you can show print or braille page numbers and find
> things much quicker.
>
> George.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jo Taliaferro
> Sent: 01 August 2009 19:41
> To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxuser] styles, styles and more s
>
>
>
> Hi everybody,
> I'm a little confused here.  I keep hearing that to work with
Duxbury
> most
> efficiently, it's important to be familiar with  using styles in
Word.
> Well, where does one begin to learn and become comfortable with
styles
> so as
> to use Duxbury most effectively?  I'm using Window-Eyes and
> experimenting
> with the use of different levels of headings and the shortcut keys
but
> that
> doesn't always tell me what it looks like in print or how it will
> "feel" in
> braille when it's translated.   Is there a reference around
comparing
> the
> style in a Word document to its equivalent in Duxbury?  Thank you.
> Jo Taliaferro
>
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