[CTS] Re: Vista

  • From: Hal Brown <hal.brown@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: computertalkshop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:19:06 -0500

Thanks Bruce. I don't beta test anything (maybe if they paid me, LOL).

Vista is deja vu all over again, apologizes to Yogi Bera.

As I said, I'm not really interested in installing Vista. I just wanted to hear what users here think about it.

I have not seen or read an single logical reason for using Vista. I assume all the folks on this list are experienced, at least to some degree, and for those of us who go all the way back to the days of DOS, the eye-candy doesn't mean a lot. And I agree, moving, translucent things may be OK for kids, but for actual work it is an annoyance.

I've installed XP on hundreds of machines, and if I have to go back and use/work on one much, I surreptitiously disable 'effects'. Zooming windows, fading icons, all that stuff annoys me to death.

Windows XP will run just fine unless the user is a newbie, or someone who doesn't understand or has no interest in making it that way. For those people I always recommend an iMac.

It seems apparent that MS is targeting a younger audience, those who are impressed with this stuff. I could tell the security was no better (probably worse) than with Win XP assuming you use a real firewall and set it up right. And the core system, what has changed? Still NTFS isn't it?

I too would like to have a high-end Mac, but can't see laying out the bucks for it. I retired this year (almost) and work primarily with PhotoShop and Dreamweaver building web sites. I'm out of the "building computers and networking" business and glad of it.

Maybe we should have a contest:
*Who can find a **Verifiably **logical reason to install Vista.*

Hal

On 2/11/2007 10:30 PM, Bruce Eddy wrote:

Hi Hal....

Let me give you a perspective of sorts...

I've been on every beta for MS operating systems since windows 98. I've jumped at the first chance to install the very 1^st beta they sent me or had me download, and never looked back.... Every step of the way with Vista it's been different. In many ways it's a lot like having to relearn what you already know is there or do-able but they've moved it? I've been in on the very 1^st Vista betas on thru till the end. I've had Vista Ultimate final installed here since it was released. I've run it a whopping 6 times at best? I'm constantly finding myself saying 'and this is supposed to be easier/better'? To me it's just not worth the effort yet? The eye candy is pretty but gets annoying after a while. When every single window that opens has to start small and 'grow' it's almost like too much movement or something? The see thru windows etc... trust me after a while you find yourself being angry that the one you want and can see (kinda sorta) always has a window in front of it and hard to read?

So then I thought, well if for no other reason than the added security? Well as you read the news pretty much every day or two some new fallacy comes out about Vista's so-called added security. The new firewall that's supposed to be so great?? Think again, Oh, it's miles above XP's firewall, But ,you know what happens when you install a firewall? The 1^st time it runs you get 17 permissions windows asking if it's ok for this program or that to log on.....Well, MS in their infinite wisdom, decided they didn't want the out of box experience for a new user to be hit with 15 windows asking for those firewall permissions, so the outbound blocking is set to allow everything by default? Ouch..... that's almost worse than no firewall at all? Worse yet you need a PHD in Quantum Physics to figure out where and how to reset those permissions. Do-able, yepper, but definitely Not for the squeamish.

So then I thought well, if nothing else, the AV/Spyware thing should be synch? Who could possibly know more about ways to break into Windows and how to block than MS? Wrong again...turns out that MS's Live One Care utilities failed worse than many other 3^rd party apps? They (VirusBulletin) said it was something like 99.79% correct in it's test, but the .21% miss equaled something like 31 different 'bad guy' issues. Now, that .21% doesn't sound too shabby to me at 1^st site, but the 31 bad guy issues sounds pretty unacceptable to me.

There's more, but that'd make this a very wordy email? Personally, it's to the point where I'm running out of ideas on what's trustworthy any more. What to actually recommend. All the big guys keep saying when the ever popular SP1 comes out things will be better? But, that too, could also be a lot of wishful thinking....

Quite honestly I'm heading to Mac as soon as my finances allow it. It used to be almost fun to fight the fight and win,

It's not 'fun' any more.

Just my 15 cents....

Bruce

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*From:* computertalkshop-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:computertalkshop-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Hal Brown
*Sent:* Saturday, February 10, 2007 3:40 PM
*To:* CTS
*Subject:* [CTS] Vista

OK, just out of curiosity, who is going to move to Vista? I mean as soon as possible. Frankly, I haven't even looked at it. I've been through all the Winders changes from the 3.1 on, and I just don't care. I *may* have a look in a year or so, after I hear the problems with it.

Thoughts on it if you are using it?

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