[bksvol-discuss] Re: txt page breaks redux
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:56:17 -0800 (PST)
According to what shows, I should be able to do up to
16 pages at a time. But, depending on the book, or
something, the OCR freezes after a couple of
conversions of 12 pages. It's in the recognize part or
the Save As (conversion) part. However, since my arm
gets tired holding the book down for 16 pages I don't
mind so much.
Cindy
--- Guido Corona <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Cindy, for assistance on Fine Reader you may want
> to mail Donna Smith.
> If the creature lets you scan only 12 pages at a
> time you may have very
> little memory, or a limited version of FRE, or an
> older operating
> system.
>
>
> Guido Dante Corona
> IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx.
> Research Division,
> Phone: 512. 838. 9735.
> Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Web: http://www.ibm.com/able
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> Guido,
>
> That's very interesting. I, too, have the 1660, but
> of
> course I don't have Kurzweil. I think it's Fine
> Reader
> that I ascertained it came with, but I'm not sure.
>
> If I used Image instead of OCR, how would I convert
> the images to OCR, or can I not without Kurzweill? I
> thought I tried once when I scanned with Image on by
> mistake, but I may be wrong.
>
> The computer and scanner are for me like a car -- I
> can drive it but I understand little about how it
> works, except for all the information you and others
> here share. (shamefaced smile)
>
> Cindy
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> --- Guido Corona <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > Cindy, I am using a lowly EPSON 1660 with the
> > Kurzweil 9.02 software. As
> > I scan at 400 DPI in grayscale, the OCR engine
> > would take a lot longer to
> > recognize if I scanned and recognized pages
> > simultaneously. So I scan
> > images only. Then I submit the entire stack of
> > images for recognition at
> > the end Recognition will take anything from 20
> > minutes to 2 or even three
> > hours, depnding on the length of the book and the
> > degree of difficulty
> > encountered in the reco process. No skin off my
> > back though, I can do a
> > lot of other things during that time: my
> attention
> > is not needed.
> >
> > As I recall, books with errors amounting to or
> less
> > than 0.7% are deemed
> > excellent.
> > Between 0.7% and 1.5% are 'good'. Submission with
> > more than 1.5% error
> > rate are deemed fair.
> >
> > But the reviewer has the opportunity to exercise
> > judgment and override the system evaluation, up or
> > down. If a book seems
> > to have holes with frequent missing or corrupted
> > words, I nuke it, no
> > matter what the system evaluates, and add a
> comment
> > for the administrator.
> > If the book has a bunch of 'the' misspelled as
> 'die'
> > I try to fix them one
> > at a time, unless I find that to be a thankless
> > task when that turns out
> > to be just one aspect of a much bigger problem.
> > So Cindy, I think you know my opinion by now.
> >
> > Guido
> >
> > Guido Dante Corona
> > IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx.
> > Research Division,
> > Phone: 512. 838. 9735.
> > Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Web: http://www.ibm.com/able
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> > Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
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> > Guido,
> >
> > You must have wonderful scanner!!!! There's no way
> I
> > can scan a book that quickly, since I have to scan
> a
> > page at a time, and can convert 8 - 12 pages at a
> > time.
> >
> > Anyway, since so many other people are happier
> > scanning, I'm leaving that to them -- but unless
> > everybody submits in rtf format, that still leaves
> > the
> > problem of hard page breaks in txt books, which
> > apparently some of you and put in and others of us
> > cannot. My solution, as things stand now, is to
> > download a txt file, reject it, and re-submit it
> as
> > an
> > rtf file -- which means someone else will then
> have
> > to
> > validate it.
> >
> > But you bring up something I've been wondering
> > about:
> > Should a book that is spell-checked only, and
> > garbage
> > removed, be approved as being in excellent
> > condition,
> > or good? What about scanning errors that pass the
> > spell-check, like "be" for "he," the number one
> for
> > capital I, lie for the, etc. And words that are
> > missing completely from sentences. I know the
> > excellent rating allows for some errors, but how
> > many
> > before it becomes Good instead of Excellent? I
> > recently worked in a book that had a lot of
> missing
> > words. I would suspect that the omissions wouldn't
> > have made much difference to the reader, and I
> > suppose
> > that in the cases of the other examples I gave any
> > reader could make changes as he/she read, but I
> > wonder
> > if it wouldn't be better for books that haven't
> been
> > read and corrected by the validator to have a Good
> > rating and leave the Excellent for books that have
> > been done more carefully.
> >
> > Cindy
> > --- Guido Corona <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > > I know this will sound so dreadfully heartless,
> > no
> > > Charitable Seasonal
> > > spirit and all the rest. But It takes a grand
> > total
> > > of just 1 hour and 5
> > > minutes to scan an entire 450 page paperback
> book,
> >
> > > page breaks, font
> > > info, and all the rest. Than it takes about 90
> > > minutes to do some basic
> > > cleanup, and finally an average of a couple of
> > hours
> > > to spellcheck it.
> > >
> > > I really do not understand why we are even
> > bothering
> > > to discuss salvage
> > > operations for DOA submissions, when the
> culling
> > ax
> > > and a quick rescan is
> > > the only merciful course of action for most of
> > these
> > > runts.
> > >
> > > Guido Dante Corona
> > > IBM Accessibility Center, Austin Tx.
> > > Research Division,
> > > Phone: 512. 838. 9735.
> > > Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Web: http://www.ibm.com/able
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> > >
> > >
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> > > "Marissa Mika" <Marissa.M@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> > > Hi Cindy,
> > >
> > > We're still working on it. (Gotta love
> consensus,
> > > huh?) Look for a
> > > message from me by the end of the week.
> > >
> > > Did everyone have a good Christmas?
> > >
> > > Marissa
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > Behalf Of Cindy
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:21 PM
> > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] txt page breaks redux
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> > > Hi, Marissa,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the new list.
> > >
> > > Is there any word yet on what to do with txt
> files
> > > or
> > > if they will be accepted without hard breaks,
> with
> > > spaces and page numbers instead? That doesn't
> > > prevent
> > > the breaks Word puts in in the wrong places, but
> > by
> > > adding line spaces or changing font the file can
> > > probably be made to coincide with the book.
> > >
> > > When I finish Johnny Tremain I'm thinking of
> > fixing
> > > one of those troublesome romances, since I found
> a
> > > copy. As things stand now, I think the best
> thing
> > > for
> > > me to do is to reject the txt file and submit a
> > new
> > > rtf file with page breaks.
> > >
> > > Cindy
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