[bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and arc formats
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:56:34 -0800 (PST)
Thanks, Pratik.
Cindy
--- Pratik Patel <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Cindy,
>
> Just a small correction. All books are required to
> be converted to RTF when
> they are being approved with the exception of BRF.
> In other words, you must
> convert a book to RTF when you validate it even if
> you downloaded it as a
> .KES or .ARK.
>
> Pratik
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:23 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and
> arc formats
>
> Katie,
>
> rtf is preferred but not required at this time, but
> in
> the future, if I understand correctly, it will be
> required after validation.
>
> Sue, Katie posted below Gerald's message rather than
> above. smile
>
> Cindy
>
> --- Katie Hill <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Katie Hill
> > You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to
> > listen.
> > Lynn Lewis Warren
> > Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > 503-777-7155
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-Hi Gerald
> >
> > Yes I did read the earlier post. My only point was
> > we have the multiple
> > formats to use at the time of submission, being
> when
> > the scanner initially
> > submits the book and we are required after
> > validating to upload in RTF
> > format. IS this correct?
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerald Hovas
> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:46 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and
> > arc formats
> >
> > Katie,
> >
> > Doesn't look like you read my earlier response to
> > Diane. I'll include
> > John's announcement from last August again below.
> > It states, and you can
> > confirm it by looking at the combobox on the
> > submission form, that the
> > following formats are the only ones now being
> > accepted:
> >
> > -- RTF
> > -- Microsoft Word
> > -- KES (Kurzweil)
> > -- Ark (Open Book)
> > -- WynWizard (Wyn)
> >
> > The only reason to not upload a validation in RTF
> at
> > this time is that there
> > are 2 BRF books still in processing. I personally
> > agree with E that we
> > should put those 2 books out of there misery by
> > going ahead and rejecting
> > them. John's message, however, states that any
> > book in the queue at that
> > time will be processed as normal.
> >
> > At some point after the last TXT and BRF books are
> > processed, Bookshare will
> > probably remove the option for volunteers to
> upload
> > validations in other
> > formats since the only acceptable format for
> > validations at that time will
> > be RTF. I have also pointed out that they will
> need
> > to remove all but the
> > above formats from the combobox on the Step 1 page
> > once the last of the TXT
> > and BRF books are gone.
> >
> > Bookshare is retaining the capability to process
> > books in the formats which
> > were removed from the submission form since the
> > capability may still be
> > needed in the future, but any books in those
> formats
> > will only be processed
> > in-house by the staff. I believe one example
> which
> > they are currently
> > continueing to accept and process in-house is HTML
> > from O'Reilly.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> > Dear Bookshare.org Volunteers:
> >
> > The Bookshare.org staff, with the support of OUR
> > VOLUNTEER technical
> > advisers, has decided to make some changes to the
> > range of book formats that
> > the system will accept. We realize that these
> > changes may impact the ways
> > in which some of you work on books, but given the
> > feedback we've had from
> > members, schools and other organizations, we feel
> > that these changes will
> > bring significant benefits to all in the
> > Bookshare.org community.
> >
> > Starting on Friday, September 29, books may be
> > placed into the system for
> > validation and submission in the following
> formats:
> >
> > -- RTF
> > -- Microsoft Word
> > -- KES (Kurzweil)
> > -- Ark (Open Book)
> > -- WynWizard (Wyn)
> >
> > These file formats permit the back-end processing
> > tools to obtain and retain
> > as much structure as possible, including items
> like
> > page numbers. ASCII
> > (plain text) files require some arduous
> work-arounds
> > both on the part of
> > volunteers and on the back-end of the processing
> > system. HTML and DAISY
> > offer markup, but because they can be created in
> so
> > many different ways,
> > users are served best when we generate these files
> > for Bookshare.org
> > customers using internal tools.
> >
> > Books already in the various queues will be
> > processed as normal. Again,
> > this change will be effective as of Friday,
> > September 29, 2006.
> >
> > As most of you know, Rich text Format (RTF) is the
> > preferred file format for
> > book submission to Bookshare.org. RTF enables us
> > to produce the most
> > consistent content output. This file format may
> be
> > generated by using the
> > "save as" feature in most word processors, and it
> is
> > a file format that is
> > available on all computer platforms.
> >
> > We regret any inconvenience these policy changes
> may
> > cause you. The
> > Bookshare.org team and many on the Bookshare.org
> > lists are ready to assist
> > you in finding the best ways to support consistent
> > file editing. We do
> > recognize that many of you prefer not to edit on
> > your computers, but we
> > believe most note-takers offer you the ability to
> > edit in one of the file
> > formats listed above.
> >
> > Our goal is to provide a more consistent, quality
> > reading experience for you
> > and for the other members (almost 5,000) of the
> > Bookshare.org community.
> >
> > We appreciate your continued commitment to
> > Bookshare.org.
> >
> > Sincerely
> >
> > John Glass
> > Customer Support Manager, Bookshare
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Katie Hill
> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:38 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and
> > arc formats
> >
> > Hello Barbara and Cindy,
> >
> > Just some thoughts here. When submitting for
> > validation having the kes file
> > with images gives a validator the chance to do
> some
> > re-recognition on pages
> > if there are errors. Like I have said, I prefer
> > this. IN the initial
> > submission of a scan the options are rtf, kes, arc
> > now. I believe.
> >
> > Now, after validating the file I believe you are
> > required to upload the
> > completed book in either RTF or Braille digital
> > format.
> >
> > So depending on where the book and the volunteer
> is
> > in the process the
> > requirements can change.
> >
> > Gerald or Jake, correct me if this is not right?
> >
> >
> > Katie Hill
> > You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to
> > listen.
> > Lynn Lewis Warren
> > Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > 503-777-7155
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:05 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and
> > arc formats
> >
> > Hi, Barbara,
> >
> > According to this sentence from the volunteer home
> > page, it is the preferred format, though not
> > compulsory:
> >
> > "Rich Text Format (RTF) is the preferred file
> format
> > for book submission to Bookshare.org. RTF enables
> us
> > to produce the most consistent content output.
> This
> > file format may be generated by using the "save
> as"
> > feature in most word processors, and it is a file
> > format that is available on all computer
> platforms."
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Barbara <barbarab65@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Katie, I thought that, too. Is rtf the preferred
> > > file format is it just the suggested format?
> > Please,
> > > clarify. Thanks!
> > >
> > > Barbara
> > >
> > > Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > When I read the "keep" part of the mssage
> about
> > > keeping files with images I had the perhaps
> > mistaken
> > > idea that it meant the submitter should keep it
> > > him/herself for the time at which bookshare
> could
> > > retain images, and then the file could be
> > > resubmitted.
> > > It didn't say to submit files with images. Of
> > > course,
> > > no one know when that will be --perhaps there
> has
> > to
> > > be another leap in technology--and I don't know
> if
> > > people have the capacity to store files with
> > images
> > > definitely, so maybe I misunderstood the
> bookshare
> > > statement.
> > >
> > > Cindy
> > >
> > > --- Katie Hill wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Diane,
> > > >
> > > > This is the same question I asked when I first
> > > came
> > > > on to Bookshare. Even
> > > > though the Bookshare guidelines say this,
> anyone
> > > > joining the list would get
> > > > the impression that it is definitely preferred
> > > that
> > > > all files be uploaded in
> > > > RTF. Files with images are the preferred
> format
> > as
> > > > far as bookshare goes and
> > > > RTF is the preferred format when it comes to
> > > > validators.
> > > >
> > > > Katie Hill
> > > > You can learn a lot if you are humble enough
> to
> > > > listen.
> > > > Lynn Lewis Warren
> > > > Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > 503-777-7155
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > > > Behalf Of Diane Scalzi
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:15 AM
> > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes
> > and
> > > > arc formats
> > > >
> > > > The scanning preferences page at bookshare.org
> > > also
> > > > shows the following:
> > > >
> > > > Scanner settings
> > > >
> > > > 1. Keep Exact View / Image File
> > > >
> > > > list of 3 items
> > > > . If your scanner allows you to do so, keep
> the
> > > > image file of the scanned
> > > > pages along with the text translation. If you
> > are
> > > > using a Kurzweil 1000
> > > > version
> > > > 6 or Kurzweil 3000, the image file is saved
> with
> > > the
> > > > .kes file format. If
> > > > you are using OPENBook or WYNN, the image
> files
> > > will
> > > > be included if you have
> > > > "Keep Exact View" enabled.
> > > >
> > > > Why do we ask for this? Over time, as the
> > quality
> > > of
> > > > Optical Character
> > > > Recognition technology improves, we hope to be
> > > able
> > > > to go back to the
> > > > original image
> > > > files that are submitted to provide an even
> > higher
> > > > quality book.
> > > >
> > > > However, the size of books scanned with exact
> > view
> > > > on is quite large, and
> > > > people with limited disk space or slow
> > connections
> > > > may find this
> > > > impractical.
> > > > We want your book with or without the images!
> > > >
> > > > . If your system does not allow you to keep
> the
> > > > image file of the scanned
> > > > pages along with the text translation, or if
> the
> > > > file size makes this
> > > > impractical,
> > > > please save the scan in RTF format.
> > > >
> > > > The link to this page is
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.bookshare.org/web/SupportScanningPref.html.
> > > >
> > > > I think this begs the question of which
> > preference
> > > > is more important to
> > > > bookshare.org. Does the organization want
> > > > submissions where it might be
> > > > possible to improve the quality in the future,
> > or
> > > is
> > > > it more important to
> > > > submit books that more people will be able to
> > > > validate? I can upload books
> > > > either way, so it makes no difference to me,
> but
> > > > perhaps someone in the
> > > > organization should weigh in. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > > > Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:44 AM
> > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes
> > and
> > > > arc formats
> > > >
> > > > I didnd't say that the newsletter should
> > prohibit
> > > > ARC or KES
> > > > submissions--just that it suggest that they
> > should
> > > > be submitted in rtf if
> > > > possible--which has been suggested before ("or
> > to
> > > > the instructions for
> > > > volunteers it could be added that books should
> > be
> > > > submitted in rtf") True, I
> > > > didn't add "if possible," but I did add
> "unless
> > it
> > > > can't be done."
> > > >
> > > > On the volunteer page, underneath the list of
> > > > acceptable formats, is this
> > > > paragraph:
> > > >
> > > > "Rich Text Format (RTF) is the preferred file
> > > format
> > > > for book submission to
> > > > Bookshare.org. RTF enables us to produce the
> > most
> > > > consistent content output.
> > > > This file format may be generated by using the
> > > "save
> > > > as"
> > > > feature in most word processors, and it is a
> > file
> > > > format that is available
> > > > on all computer platforms. "
> > > >
> > > > All I was suggesting was that this be put in a
> > > > newletter or in the volunteer
> > > > acceptance information.
> > > > Of course, as I suggested, or asked, and as
> you
> > > > eplained in a previous post,
> > > > if a person can't convert to rtf for any
> reason
> > > then
> > > > he/she can't, and
> > > > people like you and Grace and others who can
> > > > validate in ARC and KES and do
> > > > those books. Possibly if the message on the
> > > > volunteer home page were more
> > > > widely disseminated, more people who had the
> > > option
> > > > of converting to rtf
> > > > would, and more books would be available to a
> > > wider
> > > > group of volunteers.
> > > >
> > > > Cindy
> > > >
> > > > --- "E." wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I am just a bit concerned when i hear
> somebody
> > > > suggest that the
> > > > > newsletter put out by bookshare ask that kes
> > and
> > > > arc formats not be
> > > > > used. The fact is most of the books on step
> 1
> > > are
> > > > in fact submitted
> > > > > in more universal format such as rtf. I know
> > > some
> > > > people cannot use
> > > > > kes or arc formats. I also know some cannot
> > use
> > > > doc because they do
> > > > > not have word. I know we need all the
> > submitted
> > > > books we can get and
> > > > > I hesitate to restrict formats for
> suvmitting
> > > them
> > > > too much in case
> > > > > that cuts down on the number of books
> > submitted.
> > > > > Please let the list know about particular
> kes
> > or
> > > > arc books which
> > > > > anyone wants worked on and I am sure someone
> > > will
> > > > do their best to get
> > > > > to them.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > E.
> > > > >
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