[bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and arc formats

Thanks, Katie. That makes sense. 

Cindy

--- Katie Hill <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hello Barbara and Cindy, 
> 
> Just some thoughts here. When submitting for
> validation having the kes file
> with images gives a validator the chance to do some
> re-recognition on pages
> if there are errors. Like I have said, I prefer
> this. IN the initial
> submission of a scan the options are rtf, kes, arc
> now. I believe. 
> 
> Now, after validating the file I believe you are
> required to upload the
> completed book in either RTF or Braille digital
> format. 
> 
> So depending on where the book and the volunteer is
> in the process the
> requirements can change. 
> 
> Gerald or Jake, correct me if this is not right? 
> 
> 
> Katie Hill
> You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to
> listen.
> Lynn Lewis Warren
> Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 503-777-7155
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:05 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and
> arc formats 
> 
> Hi, Barbara, 
> 
> According to this sentence from the volunteer home
> page, it is the preferred format, though not
> compulsory:
> 
> "Rich Text Format (RTF) is the preferred file format
> for book submission to Bookshare.org. RTF enables us
> to produce the most consistent content output. This
> file format may be generated by using the "save as"
> feature in most word processors, and it is a file
> format that is available on all computer platforms."
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
> 
> --- Barbara <barbarab65@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > Katie, I thought that, too. Is rtf the preferred
> > file format is it just the suggested format?
> Please,
> > clarify. Thanks!
> >    
> >   Barbara
> > 
> > Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> >   When I read the "keep" part of the mssage about
> > keeping files with images I had the perhaps
> mistaken
> > idea that it meant the submitter should keep it
> > him/herself for the time at which bookshare could
> > retain images, and then the file could be
> > resubmitted.
> > It didn't say to submit files with images. Of
> > course,
> > no one know when that will be --perhaps there has
> to
> > be another leap in technology--and I don't know if
> > people have the capacity to store files with
> images
> > definitely, so maybe I misunderstood the bookshare
> > statement.
> > 
> > Cindy
> > 
> > --- Katie Hill wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello Diane, 
> > > 
> > > This is the same question I asked when I first
> > came
> > > on to Bookshare. Even
> > > though the Bookshare guidelines say this, anyone
> > > joining the list would get
> > > the impression that it is definitely preferred
> > that
> > > all files be uploaded in
> > > RTF. Files with images are the preferred format
> as
> > > far as bookshare goes and
> > > RTF is the preferred format when it comes to
> > > validators. 
> > > 
> > > Katie Hill
> > > You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to
> > > listen.
> > > Lynn Lewis Warren
> > > Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > 503-777-7155 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > Behalf Of Diane Scalzi
> > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:15 AM
> > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes
> and
> > > arc formats 
> > > 
> > > The scanning preferences page at bookshare.org
> > also
> > > shows the following:
> > > 
> > > Scanner settings
> > > 
> > > 1. Keep Exact View / Image File
> > > 
> > > list of 3 items
> > > . If your scanner allows you to do so, keep the
> > > image file of the scanned
> > > pages along with the text translation. If you
> are
> > > using a Kurzweil 1000
> > > version
> > > 6 or Kurzweil 3000, the image file is saved with
> > the
> > > .kes file format. If
> > > you are using OPENBook or WYNN, the image files
> > will
> > > be included if you have
> > > "Keep Exact View" enabled.
> > > 
> > > Why do we ask for this? Over time, as the
> quality
> > of
> > > Optical Character
> > > Recognition technology improves, we hope to be
> > able
> > > to go back to the
> > > original image
> > > files that are submitted to provide an even
> higher
> > > quality book.
> > > 
> > > However, the size of books scanned with exact
> view
> > > on is quite large, and
> > > people with limited disk space or slow
> connections
> > > may find this
> > > impractical.
> > > We want your book with or without the images!
> > > 
> > > . If your system does not allow you to keep the
> > > image file of the scanned
> > > pages along with the text translation, or if the
> > > file size makes this
> > > impractical,
> > > please save the scan in RTF format.
> > > 
> > > The link to this page is
> > >
> >
>
http://www.bookshare.org/web/SupportScanningPref.html.
> > > 
> > > I think this begs the question of which
> preference
> > > is more important to
> > > bookshare.org. Does the organization want
> > > submissions where it might be
> > > possible to improve the quality in the future,
> or
> > is
> > > it more important to
> > > submit books that more people will be able to
> > > validate? I can upload books
> > > either way, so it makes no difference to me, but
> > > perhaps someone in the
> > > organization should weigh in. Thanks.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
> > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:44 AM
> > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes
> and
> > > arc formats 
> > > 
> > > I didnd't say that the newsletter should
> prohibit
> > > ARC or KES
> > > submissions--just that it suggest that they
> should
> > > be submitted in rtf if
> > > possible--which has been suggested before ("or
> to
> > > the instructions for
> > > volunteers it could be added that books should
> be
> > > submitted in rtf") True, I
> > > didn't add "if possible," but I did add "unless
> it
> > > can't be done."
> > > 
> > > On the volunteer page, underneath the list of
> > > acceptable formats, is this
> > > paragraph: 
> > > 
> > > "Rich Text Format (RTF) is the preferred file
> > format
> > > for book submission to
> > > Bookshare.org. RTF enables us to produce the
> most
> > > consistent content output.
> > > This file format may be generated by using the
> > "save
> > > as"
> > > feature in most word processors, and it is a
> file
> > > format that is available
> > > on all computer platforms. "
> > > 
> > > All I was suggesting was that this be put in a
> > > newletter or in the volunteer
> > > acceptance information.
> > > Of course, as I suggested, or asked, and as you
> > > eplained in a previous post,
> > > if a person can't convert to rtf for any reason
> > then
> > > he/she can't, and
> > > people like you and Grace and others who can
> > > validate in ARC and KES and do
> > > those books. Possibly if the message on the
> > > volunteer home page were more
> > > widely disseminated, more people who had the
> > option
> > > of converting to rtf
> > > would, and more books would be available to a
> > wider
> > > group of volunteers.
> > > 
> > > Cindy
> > > 
> > > --- "E." wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I am just a bit concerned when i hear somebody
> > > suggest that the 
> > > > newsletter put out by bookshare ask that kes
> and
> > > arc formats not be 
> > > > used. The fact is most of the books on step 1
> > are
> > > in fact submitted 
> > > > in more universal format such as rtf. I know
> > some
> > > people cannot use 
> > > > kes or arc formats. I also know some cannot
> use
> > > doc because they do 
> > > > not have word. I know we need all the
> submitted
> > > books we can get and 
> > > > I hesitate to restrict formats for suvmitting
> > them
> > > too much in case 
> > > > that cuts down on the number of books
> submitted.
> > > > Please let the list know about particular kes
> or
> > > arc books which 
> > > > anyone wants worked on and I am sure someone
> > will
> > > do their best to get 
> > > > to them.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > E. 
> > > > 
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