I checked and there are only 2 txt books on the download list, too, neither of which can I obtain. They sound like textbooks. Probabl obtainable froma universiyt library. The titles & authors are Auditing & Assurance Services Louwers, Ramsay, Sinason & Strawser TXT Popular Culture Raiford Guins & Omayra Zaragoza Cruz TXT Cindy --- Gerald Hovas <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Katie, > > Doesn't look like you read my earlier response to > Diane. I'll include > John's announcement from last August again below. > It states, and you can > confirm it by looking at the combobox on the > submission form, that the > following formats are the only ones now being > accepted: > > -- RTF > -- Microsoft Word > -- KES (Kurzweil) > -- Ark (Open Book) > -- WynWizard (Wyn) > > The only reason to not upload a validation in RTF at > this time is that there > are 2 BRF books still in processing. I personally > agree with E that we > should put those 2 books out of there misery by > going ahead and rejecting > them. John's message, however, states that any > book in the queue at that > time will be processed as normal. > > At some point after the last TXT and BRF books are > processed, Bookshare will > probably remove the option for volunteers to upload > validations in other > formats since the only acceptable format for > validations at that time will > be RTF. I have also pointed out that they will need > to remove all but the > above formats from the combobox on the Step 1 page > once the last of the TXT > and BRF books are gone. > > Bookshare is retaining the capability to process > books in the formats which > were removed from the submission form since the > capability may still be > needed in the future, but any books in those formats > will only be processed > in-house by the staff. I believe one example which > they are currently > continueing to accept and process in-house is HTML > from O'Reilly. > > HTH > > Gerald > > Dear Bookshare.org Volunteers: > > The Bookshare.org staff, with the support of OUR > VOLUNTEER technical > advisers, has decided to make some changes to the > range of book formats that > the system will accept. We realize that these > changes may impact the ways > in which some of you work on books, but given the > feedback we've had from > members, schools and other organizations, we feel > that these changes will > bring significant benefits to all in the > Bookshare.org community. > > Starting on Friday, September 29, books may be > placed into the system for > validation and submission in the following formats: > > -- RTF > -- Microsoft Word > -- KES (Kurzweil) > -- Ark (Open Book) > -- WynWizard (Wyn) > > These file formats permit the back-end processing > tools to obtain and retain > as much structure as possible, including items like > page numbers. ASCII > (plain text) files require some arduous work-arounds > both on the part of > volunteers and on the back-end of the processing > system. HTML and DAISY > offer markup, but because they can be created in so > many different ways, > users are served best when we generate these files > for Bookshare.org > customers using internal tools. > > Books already in the various queues will be > processed as normal. Again, > this change will be effective as of Friday, > September 29, 2006. > > As most of you know, Rich text Format (RTF) is the > preferred file format for > book submission to Bookshare.org. RTF enables us > to produce the most > consistent content output. This file format may be > generated by using the > "save as" feature in most word processors, and it is > a file format that is > available on all computer platforms. > > We regret any inconvenience these policy changes may > cause you. The > Bookshare.org team and many on the Bookshare.org > lists are ready to assist > you in finding the best ways to support consistent > file editing. We do > recognize that many of you prefer not to edit on > your computers, but we > believe most note-takers offer you the ability to > edit in one of the file > formats listed above. > > Our goal is to provide a more consistent, quality > reading experience for you > and for the other members (almost 5,000) of the > Bookshare.org community. > > We appreciate your continued commitment to > Bookshare.org. > > Sincerely > > John Glass > Customer Support Manager, Bookshare > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Katie Hill > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:38 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and > arc formats > > Hello Barbara and Cindy, > > Just some thoughts here. When submitting for > validation having the kes file > with images gives a validator the chance to do some > re-recognition on pages > if there are errors. Like I have said, I prefer > this. IN the initial > submission of a scan the options are rtf, kes, arc > now. I believe. > > Now, after validating the file I believe you are > required to upload the > completed book in either RTF or Braille digital > format. > > So depending on where the book and the volunteer is > in the process the > requirements can change. > > Gerald or Jake, correct me if this is not right? > > > Katie Hill > You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to > listen. > Lynn Lewis Warren > Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > 503-777-7155 > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Grandma Cindy > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:05 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes and > arc formats > > Hi, Barbara, > > According to this sentence from the volunteer home > page, it is the preferred format, though not > compulsory: > > "Rich Text Format (RTF) is the preferred file format > for book submission to Bookshare.org. RTF enables us > to produce the most consistent content output. This > file format may be generated by using the "save as" > feature in most word processors, and it is a file > format that is available on all computer platforms." > > Cindy > > > > --- Barbara <barbarab65@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Katie, I thought that, too. Is rtf the preferred > > file format is it just the suggested format? > Please, > > clarify. Thanks! > > > > Barbara > > > > Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > When I read the "keep" part of the mssage about > > keeping files with images I had the perhaps > mistaken > > idea that it meant the submitter should keep it > > him/herself for the time at which bookshare could > > retain images, and then the file could be > > resubmitted. > > It didn't say to submit files with images. Of > > course, > > no one know when that will be --perhaps there has > to > > be another leap in technology--and I don't know if > > people have the capacity to store files with > images > > definitely, so maybe I misunderstood the bookshare > > statement. > > > > Cindy > > > > --- Katie Hill wrote: > > > > > Hello Diane, > > > > > > This is the same question I asked when I first > > came > > > on to Bookshare. Even > > > though the Bookshare guidelines say this, anyone > > > joining the list would get > > > the impression that it is definitely preferred > > that > > > all files be uploaded in > > > RTF. Files with images are the preferred format > as > > > far as bookshare goes and > > > RTF is the preferred format when it comes to > > > validators. > > > > > > Katie Hill > > > You can learn a lot if you are humble enough to > > > listen. > > > Lynn Lewis Warren > > > Email: Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > 503-777-7155 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > > Behalf Of Diane Scalzi > > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:15 AM > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes > and > > > arc formats > > > > > > The scanning preferences page at bookshare.org > > also > > > shows the following: > > > > > > Scanner settings > > > > > > 1. Keep Exact View / Image File > > > > > > list of 3 items > > > . If your scanner allows you to do so, keep the > > > image file of the scanned > > > pages along with the text translation. If you > are > > > using a Kurzweil 1000 > > > version > > > 6 or Kurzweil 3000, the image file is saved with > > the > > > .kes file format. If > > > you are using OPENBook or WYNN, the image files > > will > > > be included if you have > > > "Keep Exact View" enabled. > > > > > > Why do we ask for this? Over time, as the > quality > > of > > > Optical Character > > > Recognition technology improves, we hope to be > > able > > > to go back to the > > > original image > > > files that are submitted to provide an even > higher > > > quality book. > > > > > > However, the size of books scanned with exact > view > > > on is quite large, and > > > people with limited disk space or slow > connections > > > may find this > > > impractical. > > > We want your book with or without the images! > > > > > > . If your system does not allow you to keep the > > > image file of the scanned > > > pages along with the text translation, or if the > > > file size makes this > > > impractical, > > > please save the scan in RTF format. > > > > > > The link to this page is > > > > > > http://www.bookshare.org/web/SupportScanningPref.html. > > > > > > I think this begs the question of which > preference > > > is more important to > > > bookshare.org. Does the organization want > > > submissions where it might be > > > possible to improve the quality in the future, > or > > is > > > it more important to > > > submit books that more people will be able to > > > validate? I can upload books > > > either way, so it makes no difference to me, but > > > perhaps someone in the > > > organization should weigh in. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > > Behalf Of Grandma Cindy > > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:44 AM > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: prohibiting kes > and > > > arc formats > > > > > > I didnd't say that the newsletter should > prohibit > > > ARC or KES > > > submissions--just that it suggest that they > should > > > be submitted in rtf if > > > possible--which has been suggested before ("or > to > > > the instructions for > > > volunteers it could be added that books should > be > > > submitted in rtf") True, I > > > didn't add "if possible," but I did add "unless > it > > > can't be done." > > > > > > On the volunteer page, underneath the list of > > > acceptable formats, is this > > > paragraph: > > > > > > "Rich Text Format (RTF) is the preferred file > > format > > > for book submission to > > > Bookshare.org. RTF enables us to produce the > most > > > consistent content output. > > > This file format may be generated by using the > > "save > > > as" > > > feature in most word processors, and it is a > file > > > format that is available > > > on all computer platforms. " > > > > > > All I was suggesting was that this be put in a > > > newletter or in the volunteer > > > acceptance information. > > > Of course, as I suggested, or asked, and as you > > > eplained in a previous post, > > > if a person can't convert to rtf for any reason > > then > > > he/she can't, and > > > people like you and Grace and others who can > > > validate in ARC and KES and do > > > those books. Possibly if the message on the > > > volunteer home page were more > > > widely disseminated, more people who had the > > option > > > of converting to rtf > > > would, and more books would be available to a > > wider > > > group of volunteers. > > > > > > Cindy > > > > > > --- "E." wrote: > > > > > > > I am just a bit concerned when i hear somebody > > > suggest that the > > > > newsletter put out by bookshare ask that kes > and > > > arc formats not be > > > > used. The fact is most of the books on step 1 > > are > > > in fact submitted > > > > in more universal format such as rtf. I know > > some > > > people cannot use > > > > kes or arc formats. I also know some cannot > use > > > doc because they do > > > > not have word. 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