[bksvol-discuss] Re: italics
- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:37:49 -0400
Sorry, Jill, I didn't say anything about the PQ books, since I haven't seen
any of them. But certainly those added through the usual process don't have
italics in their braille versions, so I would be doubtful that the PQ books
would have them either. As far as I know, they both use the same lame
braille translator.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill O'Connell" <jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:11 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: italics
>
> dEVORAH, I was the one who started the thread; my question was when the
> scanning program (in my case Kurzweil) is unable to decipher the material
> that is in italics, what can we do to make the braille reader aware that
> the material was in italics and how much does our having to type it in
> detract for the sighted reader. On top of that, of course, I personally
> don't know how Bookshare translation handles this even if we try to create
> a braille italics. I, like you, don't change anything as long as my
> scanning program can read it orally. And now Evan is saying that the
> publisher quality BRF books Jilldon't do it either.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Devorah Greenstein" <DGreenstein@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 5:25 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: italics
>
>
>>
>> I just came back to the list and I missed the beginning of this
>> conversation. I always retain italics. Is it fruitless to retain them?
>> Is this what I'm hearing? What about words that are in bold type?
>> Sorry if I missed the answer.
>> Devorah
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of EVAN REESE
>> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 6:07 PM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: italics
>>
>> There is a method for indicating italicized and nonitalicized text in
>> braille, but Bookshare's brf books aren't doing it.
>>
>> Evan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 2:08 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: italics
>>
>>
>>> To a sighted reader it does indicate emphasis or, in the case of
>> personal
>>> letters written, or notes written from one person to another,it makes
>> it
>>> more realistic, if one can say that--and sometimes, as in Penduli,
>> which I
>>> just finished validating, it indicates a person's thoughts vis-a-vis
>> what
>>> he/she is saying.
>>>
>>> I can't think offhand of all the used to which italics are used--I
>> think
>>> those are the main ones. Sometimes newspaper articles within a story
>> are
>>> given in italics, but I don't think that's essential; it would
>> probably be
>>> just as clear to a sighted reader if it were indented and in quotation
>>
>>> marks.
>>>
>>> I assume when I validate that Jaws or Daisy or whatever is audio--I
>> still
>>> don't have the various technologies straight in my mind, though it was
>>
>>> explained once--emphasizes the italics in speech, or somehow reads it
>>> differently, though you just said that JAWS didn't, so I must be
>> confused.
>>> And I thought someone posted that braille differentiates italics, but
>>
>>> that wasn't your question. smile
>>>
>>> G.Cindy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***WISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE BOOKSHARE
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>>> AVAILABLE AT
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>>> http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/
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>>>
>>> A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE AT
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>>> http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/
>>>
>>> Jake's site for useful links: http://www.jbrownell.com/bkslinks.html
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Jill O'Connell <jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Jill O'Connell <jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: italics
>>>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 10:29 PM
>>>> Thank you but that's not the problem or the question. I
>>>> have sighted help
>>>> and have copied the sentence. My question is, this is going
>>>> to make a real
>>>> change in the print copy so the sighted reader (dyslexic
>>>> etc.) will miss the
>>>> way it looks in the book entirely. This is why I am asking
>>>> how others are
>>>> dealing with this issue. But thanks again for your offer.
>>>> You know I won't
>>>> hesitate to ask you for help when I need it; you are always
>>>> so generous.
>>>> Jill
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Grandma Cindy"
>>>> <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 8:29 PM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: italics
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > What is the book, Jill? If I can get it, I can send
>>>> you the sentence
>>>> > italicized.
>>>> >
>>>> > G.Cindy
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Jill O'Connell
>>>> <jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> From: Jill O'Connell
>>>> <jillocon@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] italics
>>>> >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 3:55 PM
>>>> >> I have been following the discussion on the list
>>>> about
>>>> >> making italics but
>>>> >> have done nothing about it so far; this is partly
>>>> because
>>>> >> Kurzweil does such
>>>> >> a good job reading them and although it would be
>>>> nice, I
>>>> >> didn't think it was
>>>> >> all that important making the italics available in
>>>> braille
>>>> >> since they
>>>> >> wouldn't be shown in the speech version
>>>> either. Now,
>>>> >> however, I am
>>>> >> confronted with an example that Kurzweil can't
>>>> read and
>>>> >> it's fairly long. I
>>>> >> can retype it but, of course, the effect will be
>>>> lost for
>>>> >> the sighted
>>>> >> reader. I would really welcome being told what
>>>> others are
>>>> >> doing in similar
>>>> >> situations. I think it is virtually impossible to
>>>> >> accommodate the three
>>>> >> readinggroups who use Bookshare. I wonder how the
>>>> staff
>>>> >> doing scanning
>>>> >> would handle this situation. Any comments would be
>>>> welcome.
>>>> >> Jill
>>>> >>
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