[bksvol-discuss] Re: bolds, italics, ellipses

  • From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 15:21:41 -0700

Hi Lori,

Yes, exactly as you say.

Happy proofreading!

Mayrie

 

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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 2:49 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bolds, italics, ellipses

S, Mayrie,
If a sentence begins with a quotation mark then an ellipsis, we space
between the ellipsis and the first word following it?

Lori C.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bolds, italics, ellipses


> Hi Charisma,
>
> Oh, boy.  I'm going to copy a section on the ellipsis that is our standard
> for handling them so that they represent properly in braille. This is what
> Bookshare would like you to do, please. I'll paste it below my signature.
> And then I'll save a copy for myself, because it's going to be a pain in 
> the
> neck to copy here from the braille book that I have it in that tells how 
> to
> format braille properly.  Tell me that you love me, because I have to read
> with two hands, remember enough to type, type it and go back and read some
> more.  But all of your questions about how to handle the ellipsis will be
> answered!
>
> As for bold, it does not denote headings, the enlarged size
> Of the font does that.  The bolding is helpful, and we like it, but it 
> isn't
> required. So you needn't go back and fix them if you don't want to.
> Bookshare does not require that you keep either bold or italics.  That 
> said,
> as a reader yourself, with the ability to perceive italics, would you
> personally prefer to have it in there?  Many do, some people don't care. 
> My
> advice, leave what you've done be for this book, call it a learning
> experience, and don't remove the italics in future books.  Torture is not
> the name of the game here, and I know that there are lots of books from
> which italics have been removed by folks who didn't know they mattered.
>
> Okay, I'm going to paste/type below the information on how to properly
> handle the ellipsis.
>
> Mayrie
>
> The ellipsis should be punctuated as if it were a word. Examples:
> "Fools rush in ..."
>
> "... for they shall inherit the earth"
> "Breathe, Mellissa. In ... and out. In ...
> and out."
> An ellipsis and a period.  Sometimes an ellipsis appears to be four dots
> rather than three. This is because the ellipsis is either preceded or
> followed by a period. Since the braille period is not the same as the dots
> of an ellipsis, it must be determined which of the four dots is the 
> period.
>
> If the sentence is incomplete, does not contain a subject and a verb and
> express a complete thought, then the ellipsis is taking the place of 
> missing
> words within the sentence--in which the period immediately follows the
> ellipsis, just as it would a word. If a sentence is gramatically complete,
> the first dot represents the period and the ellipsis represents a 
> following
> missing sentence or sentences. In this case a blank cell (a space) is left
> between the period and the following ellipsis.
> Example:
> As you can see, I have followed your career. ... As to my own .... Well, 
> you
> know the story.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charisma
> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:24 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] bolds, italics, ellipses
>
> In the book I just scanned, from which I erroneously erased all italics 
> and
> bolds, the bolds were found in the glossary, for each new word.
>
> Ought I to have left those bolds? I thought anything that was in bold
> indicated to the converter that that was a heading? Of course, in this 
> case,
> perhaps each new word in the glossary ought to be it's own heading? I
> already had the beginning of the Glossary at font point 16.
> I wonder now if I ought to have made each word in the glossary font point
> 14, each word a subheading.
>
> OK, and since I erased every last italic in this 255+ page book, ought I 
> to
> go back and replace them all? I will because I want the book to be perfect
> but do I NEED to? (can you guess how I am hoping?  lol)
>
> Finally, ellipses.  I have a question about your experiences. All ellipses
> in these examples are three dots, not spaces between them. On my Victor
> Reader Stream, Set-up #1  If there is a word, then an ellipsis right up
> against it, then a space, then the next word, it reads fine; I never know
> there is an ellipsis there.
> Set-up #2 If there is a word, then a space, then the ellipsis, then a 
> space,
> then the next word, I hear" dot dot dot".
> Set-up #3 If there is a word and either a space or no space, then an
> ellipsis then no space then the next word, if that next word has an
> apostrophe it will not read properly. That is, if the ellipsis pushes up
> against the word God's (like this ",,,God's"), my reader will read that as
> "dot dot dot God s"
>
> I cannot remember which book it was that was doing this so I can't
> doublecheck it in Victor Reader Soft but I am pretty sure these problems 
> are
> the same in there.
>
> My TextAloud does not care as far as #3 goes--it does not neglect
> apostrophes.
>
> Also, hate hate hate four dot ellipses. Period OR ellipsis, author people,
> not period AND ellipsis. I made an executive decision and made half 4 dot
> and half 3 dot int eh 255+ page book I just did. Which shall I fix?
>
> Charisma
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