Mayrie,
Let me rein you in on a point below.
We never want to be telling people that the manual is giving optional
activities that aren't required. Bold and italic, like font size, are
required.
They may be required for different reasons. Font size is what DAISY
navigates on so is technically required for navigation. Italics are most
often in the book so required as part of our adherence to retaining the
integrity of the publisher's intellectual property. Bold may be that or it
may be a way to imitate some of the font and kerning variations of a print
book as a reading aid for sighted readers.
This is sort of the flip side of the conversation we had recently when you
asked me not to announce a change in the manual.
scott
On 5/21/11 12:27 PM, "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>Hi Charisma,
>
>Oh, boy. I'm going to copy a section on the ellipsis that is our standard
>for handling them so that they represent properly in braille. This is what
>Bookshare would like you to do, please. I'll paste it below my signature.
>And then I'll save a copy for myself, because it's going to be a pain in
>the
>neck to copy here from the braille book that I have it in that tells how
>to
>format braille properly. Tell me that you love me, because I have to read
>with two hands, remember enough to type, type it and go back and read some
>more. But all of your questions about how to handle the ellipsis will be
>answered!
>
>As for bold, it does not denote headings, the enlarged size
>Of the font does that. The bolding is helpful, and we like it, but it
>isn't
>required. So you needn't go back and fix them if you don't want to.
>Bookshare does not require that you keep either bold or italics. That
>said,
>as a reader yourself, with the ability to perceive italics, would you
>personally prefer to have it in there? Many do, some people don't care.
>My
>advice, leave what you've done be for this book, call it a learning
>experience, and don't remove the italics in future books. Torture is not
>the name of the game here, and I know that there are lots of books from
>which italics have been removed by folks who didn't know they mattered.
>
>Okay, I'm going to paste/type below the information on how to properly
>handle the ellipsis.
>
>Mayrie
>
>The ellipsis should be punctuated as if it were a word. Examples:
>"Fools rush in ..."
>
>"... for they shall inherit the earth"
> "Breathe, Mellissa. In ... and out. In ...
>and out."
>An ellipsis and a period. Sometimes an ellipsis appears to be four dots
>rather than three. This is because the ellipsis is either preceded or
>followed by a period. Since the braille period is not the same as the dots
>of an ellipsis, it must be determined which of the four dots is the
>period.
>
>If the sentence is incomplete, does not contain a subject and a verb and
>express a complete thought, then the ellipsis is taking the place of
>missing
>words within the sentence--in which the period immediately follows the
>ellipsis, just as it would a word. If a sentence is gramatically complete,
>the first dot represents the period and the ellipsis represents a
>following
>missing sentence or sentences. In this case a blank cell (a space) is left
>between the period and the following ellipsis.
>Example:
>As you can see, I have followed your career. ... As to my own .... Well,
>you
>know the story.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charisma
>Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:24 AM
>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] bolds, italics, ellipses
>
>In the book I just scanned, from which I erroneously erased all italics
>and
>bolds, the bolds were found in the glossary, for each new word.
>
>Ought I to have left those bolds? I thought anything that was in bold
>indicated to the converter that that was a heading? Of course, in this
>case,
>perhaps each new word in the glossary ought to be it's own heading? I
>already had the beginning of the Glossary at font point 16.
>I wonder now if I ought to have made each word in the glossary font point
>14, each word a subheading.
>
>OK, and since I erased every last italic in this 255+ page book, ought I
>to
>go back and replace them all? I will because I want the book to be perfect
>but do I NEED to? (can you guess how I am hoping? lol)
>
>Finally, ellipses. I have a question about your experiences. All ellipses
>in these examples are three dots, not spaces between them. On my Victor
>Reader Stream, Set-up #1 If there is a word, then an ellipsis right up
>against it, then a space, then the next word, it reads fine; I never know
>there is an ellipsis there.
>Set-up #2 If there is a word, then a space, then the ellipsis, then a
>space,
>then the next word, I hear" dot dot dot".
>Set-up #3 If there is a word and either a space or no space, then an
>ellipsis then no space then the next word, if that next word has an
>apostrophe it will not read properly. That is, if the ellipsis pushes up
>against the word God's (like this ",,,God's"), my reader will read that as
>"dot dot dot God s"
>
>I cannot remember which book it was that was doing this so I can't
>doublecheck it in Victor Reader Soft but I am pretty sure these problems
>are
>the same in there.
>
>My TextAloud does not care as far as #3 goes--it does not neglect
>apostrophes.
>
>Also, hate hate hate four dot ellipses. Period OR ellipsis, author people,
>not period AND ellipsis. I made an executive decision and made half 4 dot
>and half 3 dot int eh 255+ page book I just did. Which shall I fix?
>
>Charisma
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