[bksvol-discuss] Re: Pictures on unnumbered pages

  • From: Melissa Smith <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:08:46 -0600

You made perfect sense, Valerie.

Melissa


Valerie Maples wrote:

Glad it made sense.  I am not functioning at 100%, but relate to situations 
like this.

Thanks for taking so much care handling this book.  I always love hearing 
stories of people trying hard to preserve integrity within our given 
limitations.  It is a challenge, but usually we can find an acceptable solution.

Have a great day!
Valerie


On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Melissa Smith wrote:


Valerie,
This makes the most sense for this situation. It will not mess up page 
numbering, but will keep the picture caption and description with the 
associated text.
Thanks,

Melissa



Valerie Maples wrote:

If the pictures are captioned and linked to adjacent text, I would bracket the 
information on the page it associates with something like:

[picture description/caption from unnumbered page: blah blah blah]

if a description is not necessary or available, above with only caption 
notation.
if there is no description or caption available, I would bracket like this:

[picture removed, description unavailable]

Others will weigh in, I am sure.

Valerie


On Jan 22, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Melissa Smith wrote:


Carrie, Valerie is correct. There is page 6 with text, an unnumbered page with 
picture, unnumbered blank page, page 7 with text. I most definitely know not to 
remove pages that are numbered or do not have numbers, but are counted in the 
page count. In other words, if it went page 6 with text, picture page, blank 
page, page 99 with text. I've seen many a book with the picture inserts, which 
are, usually, several pages of pictures in the middle of a book, but this was a 
little different, because they are just single pages that are scattered 
throughout the text. They go with the text, and so I was just trying to decide 
the best way to handle them. My thought was to keep the page with the picture 
caption, and perhaps have a sighted person describe them, and eliminate the 
blank pages. I just wasn't sure that was going to be the best way to handle it.

Melissa



Carrie Karnos wrote:

That's fine. No problem if someone removes pages from the middle of a book as 
long as the page numbering is preserved. My problem is when someone deletes 
blank pages 8 and 9, so page 7 is immediately followed by page 10.  When I look 
at the book in the approval queue, the page numbering is messed up, so I return 
it for more editing. If you include pages 8 and 9, and put [blank page] on 
them, then I'm a happy camper. I'll approve the book.

Thanks for asking me to clarify! Carrie

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*From:* Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Sent:* Fri, January 22, 2010 3:57:26 PM
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pictures on unnumbered pages

Carrie;

My impression was that these pages (the picture page and blank page) would NOT 
alter current numbering.  In other words, it was like this:
p 6 text
picture page
blank page
p 7 text

Kind of like picture inserts.

Valerie


On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Carrie Karnos wrote:


No please, don't omit unnumbered pages! It throws the page numbering off. 
Please keep the blank pages, put a page number on them, and either [blank page] 
or a description of the image. Here's a section from the Volunteer manual:


    Do Not Remove Blank Pages If Page Numbering Will Be Affected

Blank pages are often found in the following places in books:

  * After the Table of Contents
  * After the Dedication
  * After the Acknowledgments
  * After pages which identify a section of the book as Part I,
    Part II, etc.
  * Between chapters
  * Before the Glossary
  * Before the Index
  * Before the appendices

Blank pages should only be removed if doing so does not affect a book's page 
numbering. For example, it is sometimes obvious that a blank page is page 85 
because the page before it is numbered 84 and the page after it is numbered 86. 
In this instance, the blank page should not be removed, and it may be helpful 
to add the page number to the page to help prevent it from accidentally being 
lost when converting the file to a different format, accidentally being removed 
by a volunteer during proofreading, mis-numbered by the tool which processes 
page numbers for DAISY books, or by the tool responsible for identifying 
original page numbers in BRF books.

Note that books often begin numbering pages with the first page of the main 
content, but page numbering can also begin with the first page of a book. When 
numbering begins with the first page of the book, then blank pages should be 
included in the front of the book to preserve page numbering.

Some books will have photos, advertisements, or other material in the middle of 
the book. Remove these pages only if they do not disrupt the page numbers. Many 
times the pages on each side of the material will be sequential (for example, 
page 112, six pages, page 113). In this case, please remove the pages from the 
scan to preserve page numbering.


Thanks! Carrie

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*From:* Kathy Hester <kathyruth@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kathyruth@xxxxxxxxxx>>
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Fri, January 22, 2010 1:19:48 PM
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pictures on unnumbered pages

Since the pages wouldn't affect the consecutive numbering, couldn't they just 
be omitted?  If you prefer to put them in, you could just put them in at the 
end of the book with a small note saying that they were on unnumbered pages, 
and gather all the captions together on one page, not mentioning the blank 
pages, so that the book wouldn't have so many pages added to what its numbering 
suggests.  I would think that would be permissible since the pages are not 
numbered.

Good luck with it.

Kathy



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Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:43 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Pictures on unnumbered pages


I'm currently working on a book from the 1930's. There are pictures
scattered through out the book, but the pages that they appear on are
not numbered. Also, the facing page is blank and unnumbered. For
example, page 6 with text, unnumbered page with picture, unnumbered
blank page, page 7 with text. I have 2 questions. First, would you
eliminate the blank pages or label them as blank? Can the unnumbered
picture pages be left where they are, or should they be moved to the end
of the book? I will be doing some other books from this period, and it
appears that this is often how pictures were handled at that time.
Thanks,


Melissa

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