[bksvol-discuss] Re: Pictures on unnumbered pages

In this case, you could put a scanner's note at the end of page 6, something like [between page 6 and 7 there is an unnumbered page with a picture on one side and blank on the other].


Misha

Melissa Smith wrote:
Carrie, Valerie is correct. There is page 6 with text, an unnumbered page with picture, unnumbered blank page, page 7 with text. I most definitely know not to remove pages that are numbered or do not have numbers, but are counted in the page count. In other words, if it went page 6 with text, picture page, blank page, page 99 with text. I've seen many a book with the picture inserts, which are, usually, several pages of pictures in the middle of a book, but this was a little different, because they are just single pages that are scattered throughout the text. They go with the text, and so I was just trying to decide the best way to handle them. My thought was to keep the page with the picture caption, and perhaps have a sighted person describe them, and eliminate the blank pages. I just wasn't sure that was going to be the best way to handle it.

Melissa



Carrie Karnos wrote:
That's fine. No problem if someone removes pages from the middle of a book as long as the page numbering is preserved. My problem is when someone deletes blank pages 8 and 9, so page 7 is immediately followed by page 10. When I look at the book in the approval queue, the page numbering is messed up, so I return it for more editing. If you include pages 8 and 9, and put [blank page] on them, then I'm a happy camper. I'll approve the book.

Thanks for asking me to clarify! Carrie

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*From:* Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Sent:* Fri, January 22, 2010 3:57:26 PM
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pictures on unnumbered pages

Carrie;

My impression was that these pages (the picture page and blank page) would NOT alter current numbering. In other words, it was like this:
p 6 text
picture page
blank page
p 7 text

Kind of like picture inserts.

Valerie


On Jan 22, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Carrie Karnos wrote:

No please, don't omit unnumbered pages! It throws the page numbering off. Please keep the blank pages, put a page number on them, and either [blank page] or a description of the image. Here's a section from the Volunteer manual:


      Do Not Remove Blank Pages If Page Numbering Will Be Affected

Blank pages are often found in the following places in books:

    * After the Table of Contents
    * After the Dedication
    * After the Acknowledgments
    * After pages which identify a section of the book as Part I,
      Part II, etc.
    * Between chapters
    * Before the Glossary
    * Before the Index
    * Before the appendices

Blank pages should only be removed if doing so does not affect a book's page numbering. For example, it is sometimes obvious that a blank page is page 85 because the page before it is numbered 84 and the page after it is numbered 86. In this instance, the blank page should not be removed, and it may be helpful to add the page number to the page to help prevent it from accidentally being lost when converting the file to a different format, accidentally being removed by a volunteer during proofreading, mis-numbered by the tool which processes page numbers for DAISY books, or by the tool responsible for identifying original page numbers in BRF books.

Note that books often begin numbering pages with the first page of the main content, but page numbering can also begin with the first page of a book. When numbering begins with the first page of the book, then blank pages should be included in the front of the book to preserve page numbering.

Some books will have photos, advertisements, or other material in the middle of the book. Remove these pages only if they do not disrupt the page numbers. Many times the pages on each side of the material will be sequential (for example, page 112, six pages, page 113). In this case, please remove the pages from the scan to preserve page numbering.


Thanks! Carrie

------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Kathy Hester <kathyruth@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:kathyruth@xxxxxxxxxx>> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Fri, January 22, 2010 1:19:48 PM
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pictures on unnumbered pages

Since the pages wouldn't affect the consecutive numbering, couldn't they just be omitted? If you prefer to put them in, you could just put them in at the end of the book with a small note saying that they were on unnumbered pages, and gather all the captions together on one page, not mentioning the blank pages, so that the book wouldn't have so many pages added to what its numbering suggests. I would think that would be permissible since the pages are not numbered.

Good luck with it.

Kathy


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Smith" <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx <mailto:mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:43 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Pictures on unnumbered pages


I'm currently working on a book from the 1930's. There are pictures
scattered through out the book, but the pages that they appear on are
not numbered. Also, the facing page is blank and unnumbered. For
example, page 6 with text, unnumbered page with picture, unnumbered
blank page, page 7 with text. I have 2 questions. First, would you
eliminate the blank pages or label them as blank? Can the unnumbered
picture pages be left where they are, or should they be moved to the end
of the book? I will be doing some other books from this period, and it
appears that this is often how pictures were handled at that time.
Thanks,


Melissa

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