Rick, I agree with all you have said. I recently submitted a book and before uploading it I went through the file page by page to be sure all pages were present, numbered and accounted for. To my surprise, I had missed scanning pages 50 and 51. When I read through the book I did not notice the missing pages because page 49 ended with a complete sentence and page 52 began with a new heading. Only by checking all the page numbers did I realize that the two pages were missing. I was able to add them to the file before uploading. Also, the way that blank pages are treated (being part of the paginated book or not) is an issue. Submitters have to carefully handle these issues to help the proofreader. Cat Lover Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik James To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:30 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers? The first book I ever submitted I did not know or ever even consider about page numbers. I got a nice email from someone who was proofing asking me what about pages such and such? I wondered to myself at first, what's the big deal, the text is all good, and so on. Then soon I discovered she was correct, there was some missing and some duplicates. So lesson learned. It was quite a learning experience, and ever since I have paid close attention to the page numbers as I scan a book and then look it over to see that it all is there before I submit it. The person who actually has the book in hand can save a lot of worry and problem solving by getting it right at the front end of the project, I believe. One thing I do now is to also look at the page numbers listed in the Table of Contents when the book has one. To check to see if the page numbers for the corresponding chapters fall on that page and that there is a page number. Sometimes there is a blank page at the end of a chapter or between them and it will not have a page number printed but it is part of the pagination. All of the business of how many pages your file has in your unit, that gets sort of strange, and I always just look right away (so to speak, using speech or whatever) to see where pagination begins in the book, with roman numerals, or whatever. They are not always marked, yet may be reflected in the table of contents. So I make sure as best I can that the pagination works all like it is supposed to. And I do move page numbers to the top even if they are at the bottom myself. I know someone said they thought that might be changing too much from the original. I have to say I do not think it does. In fact as a reader, if I hear that the page number is at the end of a page I am usually fooled and am thinking I am starting on the next page. Some good number of books from Bookshare have two page numbers that do not match together in the text. I don't know what is the reason this happens. I do get used to it, but it is a bit confusing and I think, unnecessary if we who submit take on those tasks early on and just pay attention as we go before submitting. If I am out of line, sorry. Just going off what I have experienced thus far in this little wee world of book scanning. Thanks. Rik From: Mayrie ReNae Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 8:19 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers? Hi Megan, I have noticed that when Amazon gives a page count, it often includes preliminary pages. Perhaps your page count will match if you add the number of preliminary pages, and the number of pages of actual text? Good luck! Mayrie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Megmil85@xxxxxxx Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:11 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Page numbers? Yes, that's the one. It seems that the text portion has 164 pages, that's the page count word and my BrailleNote gave me for the part without the front matter but Amazon.com says it should have 176 so I'm not sure what the inconsistency is related to. The book scanned great, no duplications or omissions so I don't know if I should just insert page numbers at the top of each page even though it'll come out shorter than it supposedly should be or if we could/should go through and see what each page starts with. I'm new at this, especially the page number policy, so just tell me what I should do. Oh, can you do me two favors? Can you tell me what was on the title page, they told me I needed to insert one before the copyright when I tried to submit it this morning, how many Roman Numerals there are and how many pages? I want to make sure I get the title page right and maybe Amazon got the page count wrong. Thanks! I loved this book, I have to say. I was surprised and had just gotten it thinking it'd be an easy read, but I really enjoyed it. In a message dated 6/1/2009 6:52:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, amber.wallens@xxxxxxxxx writes: I think I scanned the book you are referring to, if it's Halloween Rain. I have the book if there are any problems. I submitted it before BKS's page number policy. Amber Book blog: http://community.livejournal.com/book_cuddler/ I have accepted a seat in the House of Representatives, and thereby have consented to my own ruin, to your ruin, and to the ruin of our children. I give you this warning that you may prepare your mind for your fate. John Adams E-Mail: amber.wallens@xxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!