[bksvol-discuss] Re: Is the Braille Translator Messing Up Ellipses?
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 20:22:21 -0700
Hi, Mayrie, speaking strictly for myself, I'll be cheering when the
Braille translation program for Bookshare can do cookbooks correctly.
I'd think that people requiring math textbooks would cheer. Another
thing I'd really like is well-formatted glossaries (I downloaded an
Indian cookbook and the glossary is a total mess.) and indices. Yes, I
know that the attitude is that glossaries, indices, and appendices are
not part of the text proper, but if you are looking at a cookbook,
especially if it is an ethnic one, a useless glossary detracts from the
book. My feeling is if the author took the trouble of putting that other
stuff in and thought it important, who are we to slight it? I've come to
the end of my rant, so rejoice. Regards, Kim Friedman.
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:58 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is the Braille Translator Messing Up
Ellipses?
Hi Evan,
Don't give up hope. I'm certain it's all coming. They do have folks
working on all of this stuff. It will happen, I'm certain! And then,
as has happened with the em dashes, all of the old books will be fixed
too. Just keep on truckin' and know that our best is our best, and what
we all produce is a far cry from what even the most conscientious of
proofreaders were able to create from scans done ten years ago.
Progress happens, unfortunately, almost always more slowly than we would
like.
I am confident that good changes will happen, and that what we have all
discovered and shared as long-time volunteers has made, and continues to
make a huge difference for each other and for the readers of Bookshare
books.
Okay, enough cheerleading from me, lest someone slap me!
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 11:41 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is the Braille Translator Messing Up
Ellipses?
Oh, wow! If we only had a braille translator that could just recognize
the ellipsis character and replace it with the three dot threes as it
does when it sees three periods in a row. I really don't understand why
higher ANSI characters haven't been added to the translation table years
ago. Same with opening and closing quotes, and others. It's not as
though these higher characters were just invented last week or
something.
Evan
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From: "Susan Lumpkin" <slumpkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 1:56 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is the Braille Translator Messing Up
Ellipses?
> Thanks Judy! I just made the change as per your instructions! I too
> will hold on to these.
>
> Susan
> !
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judy s.
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:38 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is the Braille Translator Messing Up
> Ellipses?
>
> Hi Lori,
>
> I think this is how I did it:
>
> Choose Tools/Autocorrect. In the Autocorrect pane, scroll down in
> "Replace as you type" list to the three periods entry (it's near the
> top). Select the entry and click Delete. That should do it!
>
> Judy s.
>
> Mayrie ReNae wrote:
>> Hi Lori,
>>
>> I can't find it now either. And the only way I could find to make it
>> work was to type three periods, let Word create the ellipses
>> character, then when I'm done, go back and do a find and replace with
>> that character in the find box, and three periods in the replace box.
>> It seems the autoformat only happens as you type, not upon opening a
> document.
>>
>> I know there's a way to change this and make Word not create the
>> ellipses character when you type three periods, but I can't remember
>> how to do it now, and can't find it in the menus either.
>>
>> Frustrating! But finding one and replacing all of them in the
>> document works. Guess it's something to do at the very end of
>> proofreading.
>>
>> I'm sorry. I wish my memory weren't so awful!
>>
>> See how bad it is that I proofread primarily using Kurzweil? I'd
>> know this if I used Word more!
>>
>> Again, I'm sorry!
>>
>> I'll bet Melissa, or Judy knows how to fix this! So, so sorry!
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>> *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Lori
Castner
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 08, 2011 9:46 AM
>> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is the Braille Translator Messing Up
>> Ellipses?
>>
>> Mayrie,
>>
>> I've looked everywhere under autoCorrect and autoFormat to verify
>> that I have ellipses turned off. I can't find it anywhere. I have
>> Word 2002. Lori C.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Mayrie ReNae <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
>> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2011 8:06 PM
>> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Is the Braille Translator Messing
Up
>> Ellipses?
>>
>> Hi Evan,
>>
>> I'm discovering messages in my folder of volunteer e-mails that I
>> never saw come in, so please forgive this very late answer to
your
>> probably long forgotten note.
>>
>> You ask about the ellipsis being inaccurately represented in brf
>> copies of Bookshare's books. One cause of this may be that the
>> proofreader didn't have the autoformatting feature of Word turned
>> off that changes all ellipsis typed as three periods into the
>> ellipsis character. If this is not turned off, when a person
types
>> three periods, or unites three periods separated by spaces, the
>> resulting thing will be the ellipsis character, which the braille
>> translator as yet can't translate properly. So, all proofreaders
>> using Word need to turn off that autoformatting feature.
>>
>> Hope that makes sense.
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> --
>> *From:* bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *EVAN
>> REESE
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:33 PM
>> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Is the Braille Translator Messing Up
>> Ellipses?
>>
>> I don't normally read books I've scanned after they get approved,
>> since I either read through them before submitting them, or I
>> scanned them for someone else that I myself didn't want to read,
but
>> knew they would read through completely before checking them in.
>> Today though, I started reading a book that I didn't read when I
>> scanned it, but that Lissi thought I would like. In the brf
version
>> of the book, I discovered that everywhere there is an ellipsis,
>> (three periods in a row without spaces, not the special character
>> ellipsis), the brf version of the file has not the three dot
threes
>> that are supposed to be there, but just one dot three. I checked
a
>> slightly older book that we did and found the same thing. I
compared
>> the brf file I downloaded from Bookshare with the original file I
>> scanned, so there's no mistake. All the ellipses in the brf
versions
>> are just one dot three.
>>
>> I don't know how far back this goes. The book I originally
>> discovered this issue in was added to the collection on July 30,
>> 2010. The slightly older book I checked which has the same
problem
>> was added on April 16, 2010; so it's been going on for at least
>> several months, unless it's been fixed since July 30. I'm sure
that
>> the brf versions used to have the ellipsis correct, but at some
>> point it seems that a bug was introduced.
>>
>> Evan
>>
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