Hi Sue, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I think I do, but just in case, I'll reiterate. Before I do, if you did the fix, you are not fine. I'll attach proper instructions for getting rid of the evil single-character ellipsis again. We thought the directions I wrote earlier worked, and they did, until we reopened word. The current instructions do work, and do stick. I have checked many times now! Have I said lately that I HATE Word!!!!!? Now, to your request for clarification. Essentially, in braille, with grade 2 translation enabled, the single-character ellipsis, which Bookshare's translation tools can't handle, and three periods typed without spaces between them, which said tools can translate properly, appear the same in braille. So, what I'm saying is that using only braille, it's difficult to know which representation of the ellipsis you're seeing. Now that I've deleted the stupid stupid single-character ellipsis, I can't check this, but it should, that evil character that is, take up only one space, so right or left arrowing over it should only take up one space. The proper three periods take three right or left arrow presses to pass through the ellipsis. Am I being unclear again? I'm really sorry that we didn't have the proper fix the first time I gave instructions! We really thought they worked. We know these work! And they are, Judy's instructions, but with added instructions for how to accomplish the task using Jaws. We needed to give more elaborate instructions because the dang delete button in the dialogue doesn't appear without fiddling to find it. Please try what I'm attaching this time, and delete the old instructions if you saved them somewhere! This file has the same name, by the way as the first document that I sent, so if you save in the same place, your computer will ask you if you want to replace the existing document bearing the same name, you can happily tell it "yes"! Again, I'm really sorry we didn't properly verify that our instructions worked before. We didn't know we needed to! Now we know better. And Jon still saved the day! Because, I'm not nearly geeky enough to have figured this out on my own. Okay, finally, I'm shutting up again! Do you really, really want to throttle me now? Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 8:21 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Hi Mayrie, Okay, I did Jon's fix, so hopefully I am now okay. You are saying that even if one has Grade II on when working in Word, and if the elipses look like three dots, the Bookshare translator will still interpret it wrong unless you fix it? Is that right? I hate to say this but it is only since the new site went up a couple of years or so ago that this has happened. So I am really happy to know I can fix it. Sue S. -----Original Message----- From: Mayrie ReNae Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 7:40 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Hi Sue, On my braille display, the ellipses character and the three periods show up looking like the same thing. It's only when the rtf files go through Bookshare's tools that makes a problem with the ellipses character. The creation of the single-character ellipses is automatically on, so you probably need to change it. I would assume that turning off AutoFormatting altogether would fix the problem. Though I don't know if other things would become problems. I don't even know if one can turn off all of that stuff. Novel idea! Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 1:51 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Well, how about just turning off autoformat? Would that do it? Mine looks okay, but I haven't done anything to it so it must be set okay. Sue S. -----Original Message----- From: Susan Lumpkin Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:53 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Wow, I went into autoformat as you suggested and unfortunately, I can not find what you were talking about anywhere. Has anyone else done this replacement Mayrie is talking about? Thanks in advance. Susan -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:46 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Replacing the stupid ellipses character with three periods. Hi Lori and everyone, Okay, I'm going to give admittedly terrible instructions here. Because I have such a crummy memory that I can't remember what I just did! I went into the AutoFormat tab, and somewhere in a list found where Word says "dot dot dot". It's showing three periods and automatically replacing them with that evil ellipses character. But right next to that character is an edit box where you can replace with something. If you type three periods in there, essentially telling Word to replace three periods with three periods, you won't ever have to fix that evil character unless it appears in your document before you ever type in the document. But anyway, if you type three periods they'll stay there. I'm really, really sorry. These are probably the worst instructions I've ever given in my life. I hope someone else can give better instructions than this. And if the ellipses character appears as a part of an rtf document which came to you uncorrected, I guess you'll still have to use find and replace to fix them. How did I get myself in this mess? Mayrie To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. ----- No virus found in this message. 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stopping Wird from automatically inserting the elipsis character when you type ... 1. When in Microsoft Wird with a document open, press alt plus T for the tools menu, followed by the letter a. 2. If you hear something about U.S. English and then "replace, edit combo" you are in the right place. If you don't hear this tab around in this dialog box until you come to this control. 3. Downarrow here, this is actually the list of characters which Word changes into other characters. 4. Find the string of three periods which represents the elipsis. 5. This step varies depending on what screen reader you use. In Jaws, route your JawsCursor to PC with Insert plus dash which is the same as the JawsCursor key on the number pad. 6. Press PageDown and then arrow up several times until you hear among other things "Delete Button". Move with your arrows until you are on the delete button and press your left mouse key which is the second key from the left on the top row of the number pad. 7. Jaws users turn your PcCursor back on and tab to and press enter on the ok button.