I like the idea.Make sure Tracy gets the credit for originating the phrase, though. I used it in my response to her message, but I was quoting her. However, I failed to put quotes around her use of it. So now I guess I'm guilty of plagiarism. <smile>
Evan----- Original Message ----- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:28 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors
I love the phrase "careless slob". Why don't we start a careless slob club,but make it consist of great proofreaders and submitters? Just kidding, sort of, but the phrase tickles my warped sense of humor. The Careless Slobs just has a good ring to it. Sue S.----- Original Message ----- From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors Even if I do read through it, I've been known to miss things, which is why it is important that the word "proofreader" actually mean what it says on the site. If books weren't intended to be read through by those who takethem off of the Check In page, then presumably another word would have beenused. Evan----- Original Message ----- From: <talmage@xxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:17 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold forsThen maybe you should read through it. Dave, a careless slob. At 08:53 AM 3/4/2009, you wrote:If I scan a book without reading through it, for whatever reason, and I put it up there without a hold for, then how do I ensure that it goes to someone such as yourself rather than someone who is, in fact, a careless slob. Please answer that question for me if you can. Others have seen it happen, which is one reason I now get books held for me by those people instead of them being just sent up and passed on, apparently, without a glance at the text. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:40 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold forsGee, thanks a lot. I guess those of us who don't ask for and get hold fors are just a bunch of careless slobs? NOT!!!It's annoying to hunt through the list, and find hold for after hold for,and on books I would really be interested in working on, too. But it appears some people have their own pet proofreaders, and the rest of us are just not worthy. I agree with the suggestion that the "hold for" should go away for a while. If not 4 weeks, then how about 8? I'm sure it would be too difficult for engineering to manage, but after a while, I'm highly tempted to just take the darned thing. I've seen books sitting on the queue for quite a while with a hold for, when all along I would be happy to proof them. But I forgot; I'm not worthy of such special books. TracyThe point about contacting the person for whom the book is being held isa good one. Last year, I had a Hold for up there for three weeks before Ifound out about it because I don't check that list very often unless I'mexpecting something. I did know the book was coming, and had asked for itto be held for me, but I didn't know exactly when it would be submitted.I only learned of it because someone else, not the submitter, told me I had a Hold for up there. In general, I use Hold fors quite a lot because its the only way ofensuring that a book will actually be proofread, not just passed throughto the admin queue with the bear minimum. Even if I read through somethingI submit, someone else will always find something I missed in their readthrough of the book. Then there are books that I scan that I do not chooseto read through. I absolutely want to ensure that those get at least oneread through before getting into the collection. Those are scanned to order though, so that isn't a problem, and I always contact the proofreader so the books get picked up, often within minutes. I also get hold fors from others for the same reason. They trust me to actually read through the book and make corrections. I still put books up there without hold fors, but I often feel uncomfortable just submitting a book and hoping for the best. So for me and others that I know, the hold for has become the best kind of quality assurance. But there definitely needs to be good communication between the submitter and the proofreader to make things work efficiently. Evan ----- Original Message ----- From: Monica Willyard To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:45 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors Hi Mickey. Over time, I am slowly shifting my point of view on the hold for issue. It used to be that less than ten percent of books were hold fors, and I was content with that level. I still think it has value and is needed in instances like Marilyn's or when someone needs help with fixing up recipes, charts, and such. I have seen it abused though, and I'm beginning to think we're going overboard as a group. I don't mean that any specific person is doing this. I think it's more of a group drift. I was startled Sunday night when I discovered that the entire first page of books were hold fors when I went to look at books. I have mine set to 50, and I didn't find one single book on that page thatwasn't being held for someone. In fact, only 16 books from page 2 didn't have holds. I don't mind it if a person is actively working on a projector is taking the books to proofread on a consistent basis. I recognizedsome of the names like Marilyn's and understand what's going on with herholds. After some thought, I wrote to a few of the people with books being held for them, and three of them didn't even know someone had posted books for them. I don't have a great solution here. I'll bet we can come up with one that works well, if not perfectly. I guess I would just ask people totake a couple of very quick precautions. If a book is being held for youand you find that you can't handle it, just post to the list. We understand that life happens and would rather get the book proofread than have you tied up in knots because you can't do it. If you are someone who submits books with holds on them, I ask you to consider doing two things. First, if your book is going to be held for someone,please make a point of writing or calling them to let them know the bookis available once you submit it. Second, if your book has special needs like recipes that need to be fixed, please note that in the comments. That way, if your proofreader can't take on the book after some time, Carrie could remove the hold with your permission and let another qualified volunteer work on it. These things would keep communicationflowing for all of us. Maybe that would be enough to help us get back ontrack with each other. What do you think? Monica Willyard "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mickey Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:48 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Hold forsHi. I just went to get a book to validate, but I'm truly discouraged.There are so many hold for books that I have the definite feeling thatonly the ones nobody else wants are available. There are some people whohave 10 and 12 books waiting for them. I'm sorry, I'm just discouraged. Some of those books have been there for a long time. Maybe if a book has been in the queue for two weeks, the hold should be removed? Just a thought, and probably a very unpopular one. <smile> Not trying to be destructive, only trying to get books out there. 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