<lol> Well, Evan, since I know you have a sense of humor, if you put it up there without reading through it, then YOU are a careless slob. <just joking> Sue S. ----- Original Message ----- From: <talmage@xxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors Then maybe you should read through it. Dave, a careless slob. At 08:53 AM 3/4/2009, you wrote: >If I scan a book without reading through it, for whatever reason, >and I put it up there without a hold for, then how do I ensure that >it goes to someone such as yourself rather than someone who is, in >fact, a careless slob. Please answer that question for me if you can. > >Others have seen it happen, which is one reason I now get books held >for me by those people instead of them being just sent up and passed >on, apparently, without a glance at the text. > >Evan > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxxx> >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:40 AM >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors > > >>Gee, thanks a lot. I guess those of us who don't ask for and get hold >>fors are just a bunch of careless slobs? NOT!!! >>It's annoying to hunt through the list, and find hold for after hold for, >>and on books I would really be interested in working on, too. But it >>appears some people have their own pet proofreaders, and the rest of us >>are just not worthy. >> >>I agree with the suggestion that the "hold for" should go away for a >>while. If not 4 weeks, then how about 8? I'm sure it would be too >>difficult for engineering to manage, but after a while, I'm highly tempted >>to just take the darned thing. I've seen books sitting on the queue for >>quite a while with a hold for, when all along I would be happy to proof >>them. But I forgot; I'm not worthy of such special books. >>Tracy >> >>>The point about contacting the person for whom the book is being held is >>>a >>>good one. Last year, I had a Hold for up there for three weeks before I >>>found out about it because I don't check that list very often unless I'm >>>expecting something. I did know the book was coming, and had asked for it >>>to be held for me, but I didn't know exactly when it would be submitted. >>>I >>>only learned of it because someone else, not the submitter, told me I had >>>a Hold for up there. >>> >>>In general, I use Hold fors quite a lot because its the only way of >>>ensuring that a book will actually be proofread, not just passed through >>>to the admin queue with the bear minimum. Even if I read through >>>something >>>I submit, someone else will always find something I missed in their read >>>through of the book. Then there are books that I scan that I do not >>>choose >>>to read through. I absolutely want to ensure that those get at least one >>>read through before getting into the collection. Those are scanned to >>>order though, so that isn't a problem, and I always contact the >>>proofreader so the books get picked up, often within minutes. >>> >>>I also get hold fors from others for the same reason. They trust me to >>>actually read through the book and make corrections. I still put books up >>>there without hold fors, but I often feel uncomfortable just submitting a >>>book and hoping for the best. >>> >>>So for me and others that I know, the hold for has become the best kind >>>of >>>quality assurance. >>> >>>But there definitely needs to be good communication between the submitter >>>and the proofreader to make things work efficiently. >>> >>>Evan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Monica Willyard >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:45 PM >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Hold fors >>> >>> >>> Hi Mickey. Over time, I am slowly shifting my point of view on the >>> hold >>>for issue. It used to be that less than ten percent of books were hold >>>fors, and I was content with that level. I still think it has value and >>>is needed in instances like Marilyn's or when someone needs help with >>>fixing up recipes, charts, and such. I have seen it abused though, and >>>I'm beginning to think we're going overboard as a group. I don't mean >>>that any specific person is doing this. I think it's more of a group >>>drift. I was startled Sunday night when I discovered that the entire >>>first page of books were hold fors when I went to look at books. I have >>>mine set to 50, and I didn't find one single book on that page that >>>wasn't being held for someone. In fact, only 16 books from page 2 didn't >>>have holds. I don't mind it if a person is actively working on a project >>>or is taking the books to proofread on a consistent basis. I recognized >>>some of the names like Marilyn's and understand what's going on with her >>>holds. After some thought, I wrote to a few of the people with books >>>being held for them, and three of them didn't even know someone had >>>posted books for them. >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't have a great solution here. I'll bet we can come up with one >>>that works well, if not perfectly. I guess I would just ask people to >>>take a couple of very quick precautions. If a book is being held for you >>>and you find that you can't handle it, just post to the list. We >>>understand that life happens and would rather get the book proofread >>>than have you tied up in knots because you can't do it. If you are >>>someone who submits books with holds on them, I ask you to consider >>>doing two things. First, if your book is going to be held for someone, >>>please make a point of writing or calling them to let them know the book >>>is available once you submit it. Second, if your book has special needs >>>like recipes that need to be fixed, please note that in the comments. >>>That way, if your proofreader can't take on the book after some time, >>>Carrie could remove the hold with your permission and let another >>>qualified volunteer work on it. These things would keep communication >>>flowing for all of us. Maybe that would be enough to help us get back on >>>track with each other. What do you think? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Monica Willyard >>> >>> "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mickey >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:48 PM >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Hold fors >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi. I just went to get a book to validate, but I'm truly discouraged. >>>There are so many hold for books that I have the definite feeling that >>>only the ones nobody else wants are available. There are some people who >>>have 10 and 12 books waiting for them. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm sorry, I'm just discouraged. Some of those books have been there >>> for >>>a long time. Maybe if a book has been in the queue for two weeks, the >>>hold should be removed? Just a thought, and probably a very unpopular >>>one. <smile> >>> >>> >>> >>> Not trying to be destructive, only trying to get books out there. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mickey >>> >>> >> >> >>To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >>bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a >>list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject >>line. > >To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a >list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject >line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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