[bksvol-discuss] Re: For wish list: more books by Elie Weisel
- From: "gwen tweedy" <gstweedy@xxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:35:57 -0500
That would be wonderful.
If it would happen.
Gwen
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Smith
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Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:07 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For wish list: more books by Elie Weisel
I don't see why not. It has been suggested here more than once. Currently all
is still the same, but you never know what they might be working on.
Melissa Smith
On 3/27/2010 6:50 PM, gwen tweedy wrote:
> I didn't think of that. Couldn't they take the adult content off
> altogether and just put the little labels on there the tags of what
> is in them and not rate them would that work? Gwen
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Smith"
> <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent:
> Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:17 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For
> wish list: more books by Elie Weisel
>
>
>> The reason many consider it censorship is that, only those over 18
>> are able to download the books marked adult content. There are some
>> books, or so I've heard, that are marked adult content, but are
>> required reading for high school students. Most high school
>> students aren't over 18, and therefore, couldn't download the
>> books. When I was in high school, I read several books that could
>> be marked as having adult content.
>>
>> Melissa Smith
>>
>>
>> On 3/27/2010 4:10 PM, gwen tweedy wrote:
>>> But I'm not talking about Censorship, in fact it wouldn't be
>>> censorship at all. It would just be telling about the language
>>> content or other in the book. It wouldn't mean a person couldn't
>>> read it, nor would it mean anyone was trying to stop them from
>>> reading it. It would just mean if a person didn't want to stumble
>>> upon it, they wouldn't need to that is all. To me there is no
>>> censorship to it. Because it's not telling you can nor can't, nor
>>> is it barring any books. It's simply a designation for those who
>>> feel more comfortable knowing fully what they are down loading.
>>> TV says PG-13 R G and on it goes, does that mean people don't
>>> watch the shows oh and I forgot X-rating in movies or shows, does
>>> that mean folks don't nor can't watch them. Certainly not, a body
>>> can do what a person wants and likes, it is simply a label
>>> designation. It doesn't mean a person can, nor a person can't! It
>>> means absolutely nothing, except a designation. I guess I don't
>>> feel that is censorship. If you were told what to do and not to
>>> do, if the head here said no no we can't have this or that book
>>> up, then you'd have real reason to call it censorship, because
>>> then they would be squelching your rights as you would see them.
>>> But no one has done that, nor will they. It is the same access to
>>> the same books no lock and key, just simply letters for those who
>>> wish to know what is in it. Nothing more, nothing less no
>>> censorship involved. Gwen
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Loran Bailey"
>>> <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent:
>>> Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:29 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re:
>>> For wish list: more books by Elie Weisel
>>>
>>>
>>>> Bingo! And I am one of those who does not check it for
>>>> anything., As far as I am concerned it is completely
>>>> unjustified to prohibit anyone from reading anything he or she
>>>> wants because of status. Can you imagine it if some self
>>>> appointed member of the morality police decided that people who
>>>> are blind should not be allowed to read certain things because
>>>> it happens to offend that morality policeman's sensibilities
>>>> without regard to how the blind person might feel about it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _ _ _
>>>>
>>>> "As a woman I have no country. As a woman my country is the
>>>> world" Virginia Woolf
>>>>
>>>> The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press:
>>>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International:
>>>> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html ----- Original Message
>>>> ----- From: "Melissa Smith" <mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx> To:
>>>> <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010
>>>> 8:02 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For wish list: more books
>>>> by Elie Weisel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The reason that the designation doesn't make a lot of sense,
>>>>> is that the proofer can uncheck or check the adult content
>>>>> designation. Many feel that the adult content is a form of
>>>>> censorship, and don't check it for anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Melissa Smith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/27/2010 1:32 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
>>>>>> It is easy for anyone to download books that are full of
>>>>>> sex scenes, and not even "nice" sex. I've been disappointed
>>>>>> by some books of Robert Heinlein. Any child can download
>>>>>> these. I'll probably change my setting to include "adult"
>>>>>> books, since the designation seems not to make much sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:25:23AM -0500, Valerie Maples
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone told us that there is an actual standard because
>>>>>>> of the grant that rates books based on word frequencies
>>>>>>> and situations that cause them to generate the adult
>>>>>>> material designation. I do believe the F. word is one of
>>>>>>> the ones that is considered serious and is an automatic
>>>>>>> designation. A series of moderate occurrences can also
>>>>>>> generate the adult designation. It makes sense that there
>>>>>>> would be a criterion with so many books being available
>>>>>>> to young readers so that it would remove accidental
>>>>>>> inappropriate downloads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having said that, apparently there were a couple of books
>>>>>>> that could find no reason for those designations, those
>>>>>>> they allowed a proofreader to remove it if there was
>>>>>>> absolutely no risk to young readers. I'm not trying to
>>>>>>> start a controversy here, just state what I was told how
>>>>>>> the adult designation came to be utilized. As a parent,
>>>>>>> even though Nichole is not completely independent in
>>>>>>> downloading, I am grateful that there is some boundary.
>>>>>>> It is easy enough for a child to get an exemption with
>>>>>>> parental approval.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Valerie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some books get marked as adult because the proofreader
>>>>>>>> finds the material to be very sensitive. I only mark
>>>>>>>> books adult if they are sexually graphic but often
>>>>>>>> Bookshare takes and marks my books adult for me. I find
>>>>>>>> the Penny Warner books about the small town newspaper
>>>>>>>> reporter who is deaf always get marked adult because
>>>>>>>> she is fond of the f word. Her sex scenes are always
>>>>>>>> very very very bland so it isn't the few and far
>>>>>>>> between sex scenes, it has to be her colorful
>>>>>>>> language.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've scanned many other books which Bookshare
>>>>>>>> automatically marked adult and as the scanner I cannot
>>>>>>>> unmark it. Only the proofreader can do it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm told that many Elie Weisel books are now required
>>>>>>>> reading in high schools these days so probably
>>>>>>>> Bookshare should be made aware of the situation so they
>>>>>>>> can assess it.
>>>>>>>>
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